Jeff Skinner, Joni Pitkanen Out Indefinitely With Concussions
by Cory Lavalette on Dec 14, 2011 2:41 PM EST
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PrintThe Carolina Hurricanes announced Wednesday that top scorer and reigning Calder Trophy winner Jeff Skinner and top defenseman Joni Pitkanen are out indefinitely after being diagnosed with concussions.
The release from the team is after the jump.
Canes Update Injury Statuses of Skinner, Pitkanen
Both players out indefinitely with concussions
RALEIGH, NC – Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League’s Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that forward Jeff Skinner has been diagnosed with a concussion and is out indefinitely. Rutherford also updated the status of defenseman Joni Pitkanen, who has also been diagnosed with a concussion and is out indefinitely.
Skinner, 19, currently leads the Hurricanes in goals (12) and points (24). He has missed the team’s last two games, marking the first games he has missed in his NHL career. Pitkanen, 28, leads all Hurricanes defensemen in points (12) and assists (9) and is tied for first among Carolina blueliners with three goals. He has missed the team’s last three games.
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I hate this for both of them……….they deserve much better. Both are missed and boy I hope they make it back soon………but take whatever time you need boys to fully recover.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
Agreed 100%. Can’t risk the health of our best player long-term, without Skinner the Canes are a bottom dweller for years to come.
Kills 2 birds with 1 stone as well, now we are locked into a top-3 Draft pick.
Can anyone else see PK force JR to make a big trade (possibly throwing away our top-3 pick) to try and salvage the season and sneak into the Playoffs? Wouldn’t surprise me with how tight the budget is.
by JussiJuice on Dec 14, 2011 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly...
It would take an absolute miracle for us to make the playoffs this season. Moreso than last season.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
Tell that to PK’s wallet. I think it is a risk he would be willing to take (see: Cory Stillman, keeping Cole at deadline, etc.)
by JussiJuice on Dec 14, 2011 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Concussion = vomiting
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Dec 14, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
True, BUT...
FYI. The two ARE NOT one and the same! There is NO SUCH THING AS “STOMACH FLU”!! Ask any doctor. The throwing up and runs come from a stomach virus, which is totally different than any strain of the flu virus.
by #1checkersfan on Dec 18, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Flu My Butt!
That concussion came from Andy “the headhunter” Sutton’s hit on Skins during the same game as the hit on Pony that got his repeat offender ass suspended. Replays of the hit on Skinner aren’t conclusive, but if you watch it carefully, it sure looked like Sutton led with his elbow to his head and Jeff immediately asked the ref why a penalty wasn’t called. I’ll bet if JR asked, he might be able to add some toughness to the Canes roster, which would effectively end the majority of the “liberties” taken on our players. One of the toughest hombres in the league is on a 2-way contract with Pittsburg, after being with Edmonton, and the Pens have mostly left him in WB/Scranton (AHL). He played in Charlotte for 3-4 seasons when we were in the ECHL, and I can tell you now, I never saw him come close to losing a fight or hesitate to stand up for a teammate! He’s not only tough, but fearless, and you won’t find many players who want to tangle with him. Try to obtain him, JR. He won’t cost much to obtain and can be on a 2-way contract, which will be cheap, but he’ll strike fear into the opposition enough that they won’t be so quick to hurt our better players. His name is Steve MacIntyre. Check out his fights on YouTube. Big Mac, as we called him in Charlotte, would bring a presence the Canes have never had, and fans that may not be attending games now due to a bad team would come out just to watch him!!
by #1checkersfan on Dec 18, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Rough news – though I think we saw this coming.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 14, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions
when he was out with flu like symptons and Tripp had said he seemed fine earlier
in the day, I knew it was a concussion.
It is time to ask what we should have asked after Cole's injury
Why does Pete Friesen still have a job?
Erik Cole, who had a broken neck with a displacement in the vertebra, was allowed to skate off the ice under his own power.
Rod Brind’Amour, rehabbing a knee injury, was allowed to run in Friesen’s signature charity race, reinjuring the knee and essentially ending his career two or three seasons early.
Skinner, who clearly had his head go from that dude’s shoulder to the ice in about a microsecond, was allowed back on the ice.
Pitkanen, who was out for a number of games, was allowed back, played a game and a half, and worsened his injury (from all appearances).
And finally, our team is gassed int he third period of every game and gives up late goals. we also haven’t won a game yet in overtime.
Several players were out of shape and not ready for the season.
How is it that the guy responsible for their fitness, and for making immediate medical decisions, such as whether to immobilize the neck of an injured player or whether a player displays signs of a concussion (like having your head bounce off the ice) still has a job?
The Condor. #63.
Nothing here directly linking Pete F except perhaps the 3rd period lack of jump….and conditioning.
There are Team Doctors and I am sure they were involved in all of your examples very closely, unless perhaps you can prove otherwise.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I saw no team doctors on the ice in Pittsburgh
I saw Friesen diagnose a shoulder injury, immobilize the shoulder, and pull Cole to his feet.
That would have been it.
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Dec 14, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I am wrong….are there not Team Doctors at every game?
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I think that is a rule for all games…..host provides the doctors on site but ready to assist if called.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
And as I mentioned in one of the other threads, the coach states what he wants in the players and then the strength/conditioning coach designs a suggested workout plan for the players on the team. Maurice has always used a slower system focused around grinding, so I expect he preferred the fitness regime to be focused more towards strength than conditioning. Muller is the opposite, and conditioning is now very important.
And then once the plan is made, it is up to the players to keep to it. We already know that Kaberle completely disregarded it.
Couple clarifications though I appreciate of what you’re saying:
Skinner did not return to the ice after the hit by Sutton in Edmonton. It occurred at 2:09 remaining in the game (TOI report). He did practice in Winnipeg two days later and by direct reports of a couple people who spoke with him directly, he seemed fine there that morning.
And that the Pitkanen injury occurred in Calgary and was unrelated to his absence from when he hurt his foot blocking a shot in the Caps game.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 14, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ok CC good points… and yes there are team Drs at home games but not sure if they travel with the team… Would be interesting if Skinner did see a Dr before coming to Raleigh.
I can’t imagine how Skinner didn’t see a Dr. Regardless of what they suspected or hoped he was suffering from symptoms of something. Why would they wait nearly a week?
Rutherford is going over it and the sequence of it on 99.9 now.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 14, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
he did not see a doc til he got home
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Dec 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
But it wasn’t actually a week – the symptoms only presented themselves Friday afternoon. They did send Pitkanen home right away.
It sounded like time with family was the only reason they held off on sending Skinner home Saturday. It’s also possible he couldn’t handle a commercial flight(s) from Canada.
I don’t know that other than pain killer and rest there is any treatment for concussions. I had a concussion when I was in 2nd grade falling off a bike – that was years ago, but still.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that the time period between a Friday and Wednesday would qualify as “nearly a week”.
I didn’t think see a Dr. in Raleigh would be the only option.
Perhaps they knew full well that he did not have the flu, but that is what they put out there as a possibility. There are anti-viral meds you take these days when exposed to the flu, so it seemed reasonable to me that he might have seen a Dr.
Apparently I was completely wrong.
I know some of the symptoms overlap, but there is an obvious difference between a concussion and a flu. I’m sure they knew from the start.
+53
Having had a concussion and seeing someone have one, there is an obvious difference especially if someone knows what they’re looking for.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
In any event, perhaps I’m alone, but a bit surprised he wasn’t seen by a Dr. at some point. That’s all.
Well again, once you have a concussion, you have a concussion. You can’t go to a doctor and have it reversed or treated. You go to the doctor to confirm that you have the concussion.
So while I admit it is a bit strange they didn’t take him to a doctor earlier to confirm it, in truth, it does no harm to have him wait a few days, especially if those days are spent relaxing with family away from the rink.
I’m going to go back and re-listen to JR when I can (multi-tasking at work right now). I also find it very hard to believe. Also, I didn’t hear JR say outright on first listen that Skinner did not see a doctor. I’m a parent. No way my son comes to stay with me over the weekend without seeing a doctor, regardless of what the team does.
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 14, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yep…..I can relate as well. I had one when I was in the service…….but that was in the days not too much treatment was performed. The Canes are allowed to “hide” injuries with this UBI or LBI thing. With concussion I think they used this until they were absolutely sure and then they pulled the trigger on this announcement.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, I’ve had two – neither from something as noble as serving my country. One in a car accident and the other from some backyard basketball, lol. The basketball (second one) was much worse. It’s not fun when you land on your back and head whips back and nails the concrete. Knocked me out cold. Literally couldn’t eat anything solid for almost a week.
Interestingly, I felt fine later that night other than just having a little headache and not remembering the couple hours before it happened. Went to work the next day feeling no worse for wear. Then I ate lunch and it was all downhill from there. Ended up having to drink Ensure on the couch for about 4 or 5 days, ha!
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
That is helpful to me. Thanks.
Pete F. cannot practice Medicine without a license. He can perform first aid to the extent he is allowed through whatever license he carries which is likely at a high level but significantly below that allow of MD’s. In fact I would not be surprise that the Hurricanes Team Physician is actually the supervising Physician over Pete just like Public EMT services are medically supervised by a designated hospital emergency room service.
I take a dim view of character assassination without legitimate substantiation.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
did he or did he not let Cole stand up?
end of story. end of job if I had been GM
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Dec 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Then you clearly do not need to be a GM
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t get this attack on Pete Friesen. Nobody gets to be head athletic trainer for an NHL team that isn’t at an elite level of training and knowledge.
Agreed…….the attack is in poor form and way over the top.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, hurricanefever, you are one arrogant dude. DidJussiThat simply posted a view point and you turn it into a witch-hunt. I’ve seen you do this over and over at this site. It’s like you think you are some all-knowing, uber-meister critic with the power to correct us poor misguided fools. But, in case you didn’t know, you are just another guy with a keyboard and an opinion – nothing special. And that’s my opinion on you.
by CrunchyGranola on Dec 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Character assassination without legitimate substantiation is what happened. You also sort of demonstrate this tendency in your posts so your reaction is not a surprise………
People should be held accountable for their posts. I am accountable for my posts and hope people call me out if I cross the line, even with common decency standards.
I don’t think anyone (well maybe the vast majority) wants this blog to lower itself to the nasty comment standards seen in other sites such as Hockeybuzz..
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 15, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
CrunchyGranola
Not sure what happened to my original reply so let me try again.
Character assassination without legitimate substantiation is the reason I called him out. He chose to escalate and I oblige. I am not surprised with your response here since it appears your past posts also have a tendency toward this method.
Everyone should be held accountable for their posts. I am accountable for mine and hope that people call me out if I cross the line, including those that cross the common decency line.
I don’t think most people on this site want this blog to lower itself to the downright nasty and vugar comment standards seen in other blogs, such as HockeyBuzz.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 15, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Well…not sure why the first blog has now reappeared after disappearing but there both are. Almost got all the words in the same order but not exactly.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 15, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
“Everyone should be held accountable for their posts.” — by whom?
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 15, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Good question…….by you.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 15, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Once more you seem to feel you are in some kind of position of moral authority here. You are just voice in the Canes Country crowd – nothing special – so to sit in judgement on others is rather absurd. My posts are intended to poke fun at pompous a$$es like you. Looks like they are succeeding. Have a nice day!
by CrunchyGranola on Dec 15, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I had no intention of knocking you off your game and diverting you from something so important. My apology.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 15, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, you do realize that your intent is against the Canes Country Community Guidelines, right? The purpose of the comments section is to offer opinion and discussion, not to “poke fun” of other posters, which is trolling and flaming.
Please keep that in mind in the future, and have a nice day!
twitter @jbk_ltd
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 15, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
ahhhhhhh, the canes country community guidelines are pulled out and flaunted once again
this is the kind of stuff that forces fun-loving Caniacs to other boards. IT’S A DISCUSSION BOARD, not some type of professional sports publication. Let it go, people, let it go…
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 15, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, Canes Country is a well-regarded sports publication. Bob and his editorial staff (Cory, Carolyn, and Brian) are all held in high esteem as far as Carolina Hurricanes content and coverage is concerned. Speaking strictly for myself, I’m damn proud to be associated with the team here.
And I thought you’d already left. Twice.
twitter @jbk_ltd
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 15, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
“Nobody gets to be head athletic trainer for an NHL team that isn’t at an elite level of training and knowledge.” – - true, but that doesn’t automatically insulate them from making bad decisions and failing their players. I just think Friesen has a history of making poor decisions on injured players, and out team always seems out of shape. Don’t know why he’s not under the microscope more than he is.
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 15, 2011 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
Pete Friesen is a certified athletic trainer and sports physical therapist. He is not a doctor. When Friesen got to Cole on the ice in Pittsburgh he was already conscious again and moving his feet. He was talking to Cole the whole time. Cole probably told him that his shoulder is what hurt (and lets face it, his shoulder probably DID hurt at the time). Honestly, the fracture in Cole’s neck obviously wasn’t extremely serious (poor choice of words, but it could have been much worse) and it was his shoulder that was hurting him at the time.
Even a doctor can’t diagnose a fracture like that without an x-ray. Its not like Pete had him get up, sit on the bench a few minutes, look around, etc. The cervical vertebrae were still not moved when he got up. Yes, he got up with an immobilized shoulder, but his neck really didn’t move either, that’s why he went off in such an awkward hunched position. The flexed position of the neck provides the spinal cord with the most room, and therefore, is currently debated to be ‘safer’ than flat on a back board anyway.
As for Brind’amour, you realize the freak of nature he is and was, right? I guarantee you Brindy had been running at home for weeks prior to the 5k. There is no way he came in to that event cold, nor would Pete let him run a 5k after not running for weeks prior to that.
Not one bit of blame goes to Pete. I know him personally and he is a great man who knows his stuff.
by ECUCanesFan on Dec 14, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m with you “fever”. It’s bad enough that we have two players with concussion problems. We should concentrate our energies to encourage these players to take their time getting well and letting the rest of the team know we are still hanging with them. Now is not the time for a “conspiracy” binge or making cases about the appropriateness of their care which most of us know little in the way a facts about.
If someone feels the team wasn’t in shape, then this is a legitimate question, but one that has already been answered by Coach Muller himself. He stated when he took over that it wasn’t ready to play 60 minutes at a consistently high level. If you want to discuss who is accountable for that, fine. I think the culprit has already been disposed of. MIlbury and Jones on Versus stated a coach has three responsibilities. One of the three is team conditioning. If that is true, then I will let Muller make his own assessment of how the trainer is doing his job and takes whatever remedies he sees fit.
by FoxtrotSierra on Dec 14, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks……
I forgot that Muller had clearly indicated early on that he was concerned about conditioning and how it relates to his system…….good point.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 15, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I thought your thoughts and explanation were legitimate and appropriate. I don’t know whether PF is a great trainer or not, but I do know that it serves no good purpose for me or anyone else who is at my knowledge level to conjure up an intrigue about the subject. My comment about Muller’s quote was not to reflect on PF, rather on the coach who was at the time responsible for the team at he time. Responsibility, if there is any, is with the coach, not the trainer.
I believe PF is a competent trainer or he would not have the job.
by FoxtrotSierra on Dec 15, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Is it just me
or are there more concussions occurring this season than in past seasons?
Well now that Mo is gone, it is time to fix this team and get back to the cup
by needsmoredefense on Dec 14, 2011 2:52 PM EST reply actions
My gut tells me it’s been this way for quite a while, just better tools and awareness to diagnose sooner.
twitter @jbk_ltd
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 14, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
check the status of ticket sales for the Canuck game
and that will provide your answer.
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Dec 14, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Most of the will be Vancouver fans. Sadly, their fans travel well. Which means it will be a nightmare for Canes fans that decide to show up.
by jbcanesfan26 on Dec 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Get used to that, its what home games are going to be like in the new conference starting next year. Lots of Pittsburgh, Philly, and Ranger home games.
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Dec 14, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, next year won’t be much fun at home if we aren’t winning. Pittsburgh fans aren’t too bad, but I can’t stand Philly or NYR fans.
by jbcanesfan26 on Dec 14, 2011 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We essentially lose 9 maybe 12 ( depending on whats going on with the Caps ) home games a year in that new conference. At least the Slugs wont come to town very often. Sorry for the off topic
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Dec 14, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
i find it hard to be believe that half the building will be canucks fans
i have been to canucks games in Raleigh…aint that big a deal
This game is a Buy-one, Get-one free ticket promotion which generates a lot of additional ticket sales, especially for the lower level.
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 14, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
The season is officially over at this point, let the fire sale begin.
The big issue, is whether or not Skinner can actually recover or if we have seen Shane Willis Part Deux.
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Dec 14, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions
It doubtful that this is a Shane Willis incident, Shane was basically knock out on the ice, Skinner never lost conscieneness.
Sutter recovered from a serious concussion as did Cullen.
I’m hoping the Canes are just being extra cautious.
by CanesFanFromLI on Dec 14, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Crosby never lost consciousness either.
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Dec 14, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
"recovery" is a relative term
you never fully recover from a concussion. the next one is always worse.
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Dec 14, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
RUtherford is on 99.9 now Stream here
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Dec 14, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions
Rutherford: Apparently Jay Harrison also had a concussion, and looks like he’ll be cleared to play Sunday.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 14, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I had suspected as much, when he skated a full practice with the team and was then pulled back off.
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 14, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thoughts and prayers.............
what a bummer…..
ok I am sorry for jumping on Pete if Skinner did not go back into the game.. I thought he went back into the game so my bad..
Does this mean That Skinner and Poni go on a IR
No need to put them on the IR. The IR is just a way for teams to free up enough cap space to bring in players to replace the others.
You have to wonder what PK is thinking. His new star could be out for a while with a concussion, his team is horrible, and he is still having to dish out the $5 million dollars that Skinner, Pitkanen, and Harrison are scheduled to make + the cost of their replacements.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sutton as nothing to the NHL-- get rid of him instead
I know Tripp Tracy said that it was a legal/ clean hit on Skinner from Sutton, but as was documented here on CC, Sutton led elbow first on the hit, or at least threw his elbow up before Skinner made contact with him. I wish players like Sutton didn’t exist in this league. They take away so much more than they contribute. Who wants to see some slow skating moron skating around on the ice targeting player’s heads by leaping off their skates and throwing elbows into players’ heads.
I know we’re all frustrated and venting, etc., but let’s try to stay above comments like this, please. Thanks.
twitter @jbk_ltd
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 14, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Edmonton’s media themselves are calling for Sutton to be traded. Nobody enjoys having a player like him. Even if he plays well, he is suspended half the year anyway. Worthless NHL player and/or human being.
by JussiJuice on Dec 14, 2011 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Saw this coming, and I'm not talking about the delayed announcement.
This is as much about the team and the lack of “gel” as it is about contact, rules, Sutton and just plain bad luck.
At multiple points during this season it seemed like Skinner got run and hit hard with no one sticking up for him. Being the ROY, and a guy with his talent and speed puts a target on your back…that’s just the way it is.
Maybe if someone on the “team” sent a message to other teams that Skinner wasn’t fair game and that they couldn’t knock him around, this wouldn’t have happened. Gleason’s reaction to Sutton was too little, too late, in my opinion.
the hits just keep on coming...
PK may need to break out the curtains in the RBC in about a month with this team on the ice and the most marketable player out.
Good news is that I don’t see anyway we’re not pegged for one of the top 3 picks which all are supposedly really good this year. That is until management does something stupid to mess that up.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
Now Bouch is Out for a Couple of Months?
Sheesh. All we need now is a Penn State-like scandal.
Time for the I-85 express
With Skinner now out of action it’s time to start bringing up players and putting them in top 6 roles.
I’d like to not see players brought up and then used on 3rd and 4th lines. The team will obviously be very careful with Skinner, so there will be time to give the Dalpe/Boychuk/Bowman/Nash types a few games each in the roles they were drafted to fill. We already know the vast majority of players on the roster are grinders, so let the boys run with it for x number of games each.
Right on “dog”. What could it hurt? Let’s hope JR and the crew hear you.
by FoxtrotSierra on Dec 15, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
You know…..I am deadly serious. Bring him back. That guy was entertaining and wouldn’t take sh!t off anyone. What the hay. We’re done….mine as well bring some entertainment value.
Throw a couple of goons on his line. See how much more Sutton BS we would have to deal with. All of our 4th liners are on the first anyway……what the hell.
Ray Whitney...
If we are talking about trying to sneak into the playoffs, we need a veteran forward with great eyes and great hands and can pass. He’s mentioned many times he is going to retire in NC, he’s good friends with the Coach. We don’t have one in the locker room at the moment to step up and backup Staal.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
I was actually thinking more on the line of a bit of toughness to the line up to protect some of the guys… I really dont think some of these shots would have taken place with Conboy or Bodie around.. Not saying I want goons either.
Honestly, I really don’t see what enforcers would do for us. It’s not going to stop hitting, it’s not going to stop players like Sutton or Cooke from playing dirty. All it will do is give us immediate retribution for a hit that we didn’t like.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Amen.
Running four lines to make the playoffs are one thing. Having a goon line to protect the few assets we have during a throw-away season is another.
Bring more Checkers up. Stock a fourth-goon-line to protect them. Let’s move forward.
again not so much a total goon line, I think that may be extreme, but some toughness would not hurt this uninspired, whimpy, weak team
well, before this season; Ruutu, Gleason, & Cole usually led the team in hits.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
do u think Gleason is hurt because he just seems like a shell of himself..I really liked him but boy he is just not the same player….
Unfortunately not happening…….as long as they are in the playoff hunt he is not going anywhere this year…….
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not re-signing Whitney
Was one of the biggest mistakes JR has made. Whitney would be 2nd in points on the Canes right now, behind Skinner.
I don’t think we’ve made a ‘play’ since he left.
“TOS” I agree with you last comment about our making plays. In regards to your first at the time of Whitney’s leaving most Canes fans (including me) were against resigning him to a three year deal which is what Whitney wanted. Now in 20-20 hindsight I agree with you that it was a mistake. He not only would have scored himself, he would have helped other players score and would have been a steadying influence in the locker room. It has been a learning experience for me in my evaluating team needs and probably JR would say the same thing and would agree with you it TURNED OUT to be a mistake.
by FoxtrotSierra on Dec 15, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
He not only would have scored himself, he would have helped other players score and would have been a steadying influence in the locker room.
I think these qualities are what is missing most from the team.. Play makers with some influence in the locker room.. oh and a bit of toughness.
argh...
meant that as a reply not a new post.
also. hope skinner recovers in some form. :(
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
Hoping for nothing but the best for Skinner, Pitkanen and Boucher. All are likely hurting in more ways than one, but rushing to get back will do more harm than good. Slow and steady boys. Come back at 100%. We’ll be here waiting.
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is it just me
or do the comments section of this site get harder and harder to read everyday.
It’s more like a lynch mob than a fan base. I guess our new target is Pete Freisen. So once we can him, who is next? How about Kaiton? Maybe we can pin all of this on the Equipment Gut Wally Tatomir? Get a grip peeps, this stuff happens to a budget team.
by wylde4canes on Dec 14, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Actually, I’ll vent all my animosity at Tripp Tracey and try to stay constructive else where.
Full-STH, Graduate Student & TA at NC State (GO PACK!!), "The classic definition of insanity is doing the same thing repetitively and believing the outcome will be different"
by Drew Wofford III on Dec 14, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's the same people...
Who probably hate Trip Tracy. I mean I don’t worship the ground he walks on, but he’s not that bad – especially if you listen to half of the other people who do color commentary for games. Trip is actually much better than most. :)
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
Have to disagree there. When I listen to the Versus (NBC) broadcasts I am amazed at how good the color commentary can be. The other night, the Comcast Philadelphia – Tampa had Keith Jones for color. Tripp is, in my humble opinio, just a paid mouthpiece. John, at least, tries to maintain some sense of credibility. Just me, perhaps.
Full-STH, Graduate Student & TA at NC State (GO PACK!!), "The classic definition of insanity is doing the same thing repetitively and believing the outcome will be different"
by Drew Wofford III on Dec 14, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I use to hate Trip’s commentary but now I take it as sheer entertainment value! A few times each game I get a good chuckle out of one of his comments! Dont mind him at all. I dont consider him a quality commentator but it could be worse!
by RobbinDollar on Dec 14, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Last night it was comparing the Canes to fine wine … it (they) just get better with age. I just wish Fox provided a Tripp “mute” button.
Full-STH, Graduate Student & TA at NC State (GO PACK!!), "The classic definition of insanity is doing the same thing repetitively and believing the outcome will be different"
by Drew Wofford III on Dec 14, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
yeah and the other one from last night was keep your stick in front of you like walking a dog or something to that effect…
The best is when John says “OK Tripp”
by RobbinDollar on Dec 14, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yep … I forgot about that one. I really like John. I loved his comment “McBain says NO.” Classic John.
Full-STH, Graduate Student & TA at NC State (GO PACK!!), "The classic definition of insanity is doing the same thing repetitively and believing the outcome will be different"
by Drew Wofford III on Dec 14, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
john = great, tripp = bearable, not horrible
listen to some of the other market’s color guys sometimes and then tell me tripp is all that bad
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 14, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I like Tripp alright as well. I don’t take a lot of what he says as great hockey commentary but he does sometime provide a good laugh and some humor. When watching this team – it’s sorely needed at times.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
I use to mute the games and sync up Chuck… that is more difficult than you would guess.
Now I have fun and enjoy some Tripness
Its hockey.. its suppose to be enjoyable.. I find that going in for entertainment is more enjoyable than flipping out over everything else
by RobbinDollar on Dec 14, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Or happens to any team for that matter but your point is well taken……….
There are always folks “laying in the weeds” so to speak………
I think this announcement though places a new issue on the immediate and long term future of the Canes roster. JR makes decision based on the short and long term needs of the team he envisions…..trying very hard to meet the long term need first.
I think his time table for change just got drastically rearranged. It is going to be interesting to see what that means.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
This is really bad news, but I had a feeling Skinner had a concussion. The thing that is really a major concern is that you’re more likely to get a concussion after suffer one. The way Skinner plays and his size make him likely to experience a concussion again. Either we are going to have to hope & pray every time Skinner takes a hit or he’s going to have to alter his game.
This is a sad state for the NHL; their biggest star missing so much time and now their ROY having the same problem, not to mention the rest of the players that are having concussion issues.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Yep. Add the guy currently leading the NHL in points to that list as well (Giroux).
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 14, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah lots of teams dealing with this issue currently.
So whats the answer… take out checking? Bigger Rinks? Bobble head helmets?
by RobbinDollar on Dec 14, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
It struck me that this year either there is more publicity or more incidents – I am not sure which. In either case it really is hurting the league. There is even a concussion list on the front page of SBNation.
Full-STH, Graduate Student & TA at NC State (GO PACK!!), "The classic definition of insanity is doing the same thing repetitively and believing the outcome will be different"
by Drew Wofford III on Dec 14, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
When life deal you lemons ...
I think this is a great opportunity to really start young again. We keep talking about it, but there is alot of talent in Charlotte. Assuming we agree the season is a write-off from a playoff perspective, lets really work on the rebuilding. I don’t mind loosing for a couple of seasons, if we are in the process of rebuliding. It is just dragging the same old team back year after year, and expecting the results to be different, that bothers ,me as a fan. Every team has to go through rebuilding … so let’s take the opportunity and do it. And if we win a few games in the process ,,, all the better.
Full-STH, Graduate Student & TA at NC State (GO PACK!!), "The classic definition of insanity is doing the same thing repetitively and believing the outcome will be different"
by Drew Wofford III on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions
I think there is some talent in Charlotte, but does Canes management? They haven’t exactly put forth the strongest effort to get the kids legit chances in the NHL.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Boychuk and Bowman are RFA’s at the end of the year. JR and Muller need to give them two a good look in the NHL to see what kind of players they really are at this level before deciding on resigning them or letting them walk.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
And then realized he wasn’t, and that he had wasted his money, so he moved him.
Seriously, it’s unfair to hold the Kaberle disaster over JR’s head after he rid himself of the problem. He recognized the problem and did something about it. Isn’t that what good managers do?
At the very least, it gets him back up to neutral: he signed Kaberle (bad) and realized it was a mistake, so he moved him and his salary out of town (good). In my book, that’s a wash.
by Brian LeBlanc on Dec 14, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Just because they are RFA’s doesn’t mean they need to be let go or signed to a long-term deal. The Canes could simply qualify them (which I think is the likely step anyway) and as long as another team doesn’t offer sheet them, they will be Canes for at least 3 more seasons.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Except next year they're waiver-eligible.
Which means that if they don’t stick with the Canes right out of camp, we run the risk of losing them whenever we try to promote them.
The Skinner injury opens up top-6 time that one of those guys needs to be playing in, now. If they can’t hack it, that’s your answer, but neither of them have really had that chance, and they need a fresh look under the Muller regime anyway.
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I could be mistaken about this, but since Boychuk & Bowman both signed their first contracts at 19 (?); they are waiver-exempt through their first 4 seasons or 160 games (whichever comes first).
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
I was looking at the SBNation Concussion List; that could be an All-Star team!
Any & every player is subject to concussions, but it seems like certain types of players are more likely to get them. Defensemen because they are playing the puck along the boards, head down, and have people sandwiching them at full steam. Their heads bounce off the glass and the brain gets bruised; I can see that. Rough players because they are throwing their bodies and caution to the wind. They lay it all out there and get in awkward positions; I can see that. And then there are the smaller players that go into the dirty areas. Players like Skinner, Crosby, Richards, Gerbe. These guys play a “big man’s” game, going up against people 4 or 5 inches taller than them. They get pushed around and take unnecessary hits to the head. We all applaud them for “standing up against Goliath”, but they could be doing harm to themselves.
It’s how you want everybody to play, given all they got; but maybe it’s best for the smaller players to play a game more like Samsonov, avoiding hits as much as possible.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Just look at the thread picture. Pitkanen’s shoulder is the same height as Skinner’s head. If a player of Pitkanen’s size just shoulder checks Skinner, it would be a head shot and possible cause him another concussion. This is real scary about this kids future! As Go-Shelf mentioned, he had half a dozen concussions when he played.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Tripp
For those being critical of Tripp, consider the possible implications if he did point out poor play. Would we ever be able to trade anyone?
by dskad on Dec 14, 2011 5:43 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
How can Pitkanen get a concussion with a head as big as a pumpkin?
would think there would be enough padding in there
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by Capt. Stinky on Dec 15, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Good one Capt!
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by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
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