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Clicks and Clippings: Concussions hit Carolina hard

He'll be back. Photo by Jamie Kellner.

Since Friday last, the speculation on the nature of Jeff Skinner's undisclosed injury seemed to focus on numerous views and reviews of a hit delivered by Andy Sutton in Edmonton in the final minutes of the game there last Wednesday. [Link to video.]

Today, the Carolina Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford confirmed the team's doctors had determined that Skinner was concussed. He also had the same diagnosis to report for Joni Pitkanen, who left the game in Calgary the night prior and returned to Raleigh last week.

When interviewed on 99.9 the Fan this afternoon, Rutherford added that Jay Harrison, who has been out since Thanksgiving, was also recovering from a concussion. It's possible Harrison will be cleared to play Sunday when the team travels to Florida.

All the links from Raleigh, reaction across the League, Muller's early reviews, plus stories on the Hurricanes prospects making news around the world.

Star-divide


Today's news from Raleigh

"There aren't any forwards out there on the trade market that could come in here and make a difference in our team," Rutherford said. "I know first-hand because I've been on the phone for three weeks, not only looking with a potential injury, but because we're a team that's potentially short a couple forwards to be one of the good teams.

"We just have to work together as a team and work our way out of the situation we're in and deal with the present."

Almost as a footnote, the N&O's Chip Alexander tweeted that veteran back-up goaltender Brian Boucher would be out a couple months after a lower body injury that occurred at the end of practice in Calgary last Monday. Justin Peters, who cleared re-entry waivers and was recalled to Raleigh today, may be here longer than we originally thought.

Rutherford said Boucher likely out another couple of months. Said would not look to acquire another backup. "We'll stick with our guys."


Reaction to the news across the League



Looking at Muller 7 games in

21. Kirk Muller has a lot of fans. The one question, though, is: What will his system be? "We know he'll get his team to work hard," one GM said. "We know he'll have a good rapport with players. But we're not sure how his teams will play."

22. Karl Alzner said earlier this year that Eric Staal was the unluckiest player in the NHL. "Every time I see him, he's hitting the post or getting stopped by a great save." While that may be true, his low numbers were affecting his play. A few coaches/GMs saw Staal cheating offensively because he so badly wanted to score. That would explain the bad plus/minus.

Practice Notes: I made it to practice today. There were only 10 skaters and the versatile Jorge Alves served as practice goalie, giving Cam Ward the day off. Jay Harrison was one of four defensemen with Jamie McBain, Justin Faulk, and Derek Joslin . Six forwards participated: Tuomo Ruutu, Tim Brent, Drayson Bowman, Andreas Nodl, Jiri Tlusty and Anthony Stewart . Kirk Muller was not on the ice; instead, John MacLean led the drills with Rod Brind`Amour and Dave Lewis also actively contributing. The practice was really about skills, (puckhandling, passing, skating agility, etc) and not so much about full team play. Practice lasted about 45 minutes.



The unusual case for Justin Faulk

However, I spoke with a gentleman at Monday’s U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame ceremony who has a very close knowledge of this tournament and he made an awfully compelling case for Faulk to join Team USA. That got me to thinking. Could it be potentially beneficial for all parties if Faulk were released?



Future Considerations

World Juniors is getting closer. The tournament opens on December 26th with many games over the following week set to be broadcast on the NHL Network.

One surprise early this morning: Canes 2011 first round pick Ryan Murphy did not make the cut for Team Canada's WJC roster.

"I kind of look back at it and wish that I was playing like myself," Murphy said. "Maybe I didn’t have to change my game, maybe I just have to be aware of other aspects of my game."

"It’s pretty difficult," Murphy said. "Getting woken up at 6 a.m. is not the easiest thing and knowing it’s you and not your roommate is also not an easy thing. I’ll be back next year maybe and hopefully make the team then."

Like Ryan Murphy of the Kitchener Rangers. "It goes by so fast. And then you’re saying goodbye," he said. "When you get here, it’s a dream come true.

"Growing up, every Boxing Day, I sat on the couch watching the World Junior. And then you go to camp and experience this and start to think you’re pretty close and then ..." Then the phone rings. "My heart just dropped," said Murphy.

The USA Hockey camp opens this weekend, apparently waiting till most of their invites are through college exams. In addition to Justin Faulk, Canes 2010 pick Austin Levi was invited to attend.


Other talent in the pipeline

but not even in the WJC conversation

HF: What kind of contact and feedback have the Canes held/shared with you thus far? For example, have they expressed certain expectations or long term plans?

FA: I believe they technically have time until the next draft to sign me, so I can't really do anything about things on that front now and thus, I'm going to continue focusing on my game here in Frolunda. If I were to think too much about it, I probably wouldn't be able to play well here.



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I think JR’s been suffering from concussions for about two years now, with this lineup he’s put together and keeping Mo on board for so long. That would explain things.

LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!

by Capt. Stinky on Dec 14, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

This latest news just reaffirms the fact that the Canes need more talent and really need another star forward. Because concussions & other injuries can happen at any moment, you have to have enough quality players to pick up the slack. I know JR said there are no available players out there that can make a difference, but he’s going to have to do something between now and next season. The #1 draft pick is not enough to make this team respectable and the free agent market this offseason is shallow. JR is going to need to make other teams listen and pull off a miracle.

I guess for the time being; we will just have to watch Staal, Ruutu, Ward, and a good AHL team play and pray the other team falls asleep on the ice.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 6:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

at this point

all we as fans can do is hope pray and keep our fingers & etc crossed the rest of the season will be better than this first part has been…

9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!

by CaniacSteve on Dec 15, 2011 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Hopefully...

We can at least spoil the playoff hopes of some other teams. It’d be awesome to see us destroy Tampa Bay so they don’t make it in. :D

Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)

by thebl4ckd0g on Dec 15, 2011 2:44 AM EST reply actions  

Lately they have been doing in for us.

by malkarx on Dec 15, 2011 4:13 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Another great addition of C&C !

Great stuff, as usual.
With no help coming via trade, there is really no reason at this time to not give some top 6 time to some AHL’rs. Muller gave the vets a “clean slate”, so he needs to extend that to Dalpe and Boychuk.
Boychuk looked a bit lost under Mo’s system ( enter your jokes here) but maybe Muller and his system will be more up Boychuk’s alley. Dalpe, Boychukl, and Bowman have only had Mo as their NHL coach, let’s reset and see how they respond to Muller and Co. and the new system.
I’d actually like to see Nodl get a bump up to the top 6 just to see what he can do. Seems to have some skills. Nothing to lose at this point.

by Hockeydog on Dec 15, 2011 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with you with Nodl(Noodle).. Have to wait and see if they bring up the boys..

by dbaerry34 on Dec 15, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone catch 24/7 last night?

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

Am I going to have to order HBO for a month ? I think last year it was re-broadcast on another channel, not remembering if it was NHLN or just some odd Directv channel. but it was after the game I think.

by Hockeydog on Dec 15, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I ordered it for a month. $15 from TWC. Did the same thing last year – but it was month free trial. They’ll do an encore to night plus a few other times of episode 1. Final episode is Jan 5.

Twitter @HMof2

by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen it yet, but look forward to it. I know I was able to watch last year’s series on HBO On Demand, not sure if that’s available to monthly subscribers or not, but you can pretty much watch whenever you want.

Also, last year’s HBO 24/7 featuring the Caps and Pens is now available on DVD. Just in time for Christmas.

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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 15, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I just bought it for the rents, it’s really underwhelming on how long it’s taking HBO to get me the DVD. I ordered it on 11/15/11, it’s still not here.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Where are you? I ordered it last week on Amazon.com and got it with free shipping two days later.

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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 15, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

sh*t! I live in the Triangle too. I went HBO not Amazon.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Always go amazon.

They have a bunch of shipping facilities not far from the Triangle. Never takes more than two days even with the free shipping.

by Iggy Reilly on Dec 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

good to know, thanks. Doesn’t help me now though.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh Snap! I really hope my husband isn’t reading these comments. Just sayin.

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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 15, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Well you didn’t actually say who you ordered it for

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea it was pretty good… especially because they showed the Giroux concussion and the testing and things.. very interesting.

by dbaerry34 on Dec 15, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

they do such a good job. Avery is about as weird as I thought he was. The coaching contrast is very interesting. Both seem very intense, especially Torts, but both have a very cerebral side to them too. I love watching these guys with their sticks and the focus they pay to every detail, especially the goal scorers.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks everyone, I’ll order HBO for a month ! You know I was not initially a Torts fan, maybe because he coached a division rival, but he’s grown on me.

by Hockeydog on Dec 15, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I had to laugh at how many times Torts said the F word

by dbaerry34 on Dec 15, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I watched it with my 11 yr old son last night, and warned him there would be lots of “Fs”. He was quiet for the first few minutes, not sure how to respond, till I finally laughed out loud at the absurdly heavy usage and then he just cracked up. I made it clear he’s not allowed to talk like that; there was so much of it the Fword may have lost any power to him, which is fine with me.

He really enjoyed the rest of it so much more – the parts with Bryz, Avery, Anisamov, Simmonds. Laughing at Hartnell. It was a neat for him to see the game from that perspective at his age – the emotions, personalities and the social aspects especially. Interesting to see him identify at his own level.

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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

It was taught to me around the same age that what you do within the locker room is not appropriate outside of the locker room. In a sense they’re 2 different worlds, that’s probably part of the reason Tort’s doesn’t love HBO having full access to his team. Bryz is quite the character and I think we’ll see a lot more of Hartnell – who’s a favourite among his teammates and fans.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

And on the bench. Had to tell many a parent that when a kid comes off the ice after getting speared in the nuts that you can’t expect expect them to say “golly gee wiz, I got a boo boo on my wee wee”. Phrases that start with mother, F, etc. just naturally seem to flow.

by sittler27 on Dec 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

and are quite therapeutic.

by Hockeydog on Dec 15, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This might be the best post I’ve seen in a while. I played high school basketball and had several discussion with my mother about my court etiquette. Plus, I went to a Christian school so our colorful language was very much frowned upon. Thankfully they understood the “heat of the moment” concept.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, I remember it was pee wee our coach had the conversion and laid out what was acceptable and what wasn’t.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Time and place and context are smart lessons for kids to learn, even outside of sports. Of course some adults could learn this as well, I gather.

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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 15, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re absolutely right. It’s difficult for me to come home to my kids and control what I say after spending 12 hours a day in an R-rated world. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard “Daddy, don’t say that!” I try to explain that I have to talk to people a certain way because they don’t understand “please” and “Sir”.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Wyshynski on Puck Daddy had a running count of F-bombs on twitter last night.

Was over 1 per minute for the whole episode.

by Iggy Reilly on Dec 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be harder than counting shots when the D wasn’t going anything to clear rebounds in Toronto. Rapid fire.

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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

wasn’t *doing anything

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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

My poor father did not do as well as Boy11. He didn’t even make it through Lavi’s first little speech before he had to put his headphones in.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Dec 15, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So did he just not listen and only watched with no dialog?

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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

F bombs might be the easiest words to lip read. He really didn’t need to hear it.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope. He wouldn’t even watch anymore. For some context, this is the same man that apologized to me once for saying “crap” in the car. He’s old school.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Dec 15, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

My Dad would never endured that either. My Mom (in her 80s) will occasionally say “the S word” and we all giggle because we think she thinks she’s cool.

by efrancis on Dec 15, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Of the two coaches, my money would have been on Torts with the first Fbomb of the series, but Lavi surprised.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Dec 15, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Torts won the coaches F-bomb battle 10-8

by Iggy Reilly on Dec 15, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Have they compared the counts to Boudreau from last year yet? Neither seems to have reached nearly his expletive quotient. I still love BB’s shouting at the bench at MSG “get your a%^es outta your head!”.

Twitter @HMof2

by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The count for total f bombs was like 40 something last night, they said it was in the 60s for the first episode last year.

by Iggy Reilly on Dec 15, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I swear I saw it on Twitter last night from someone. It’s not even close.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Dec 15, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Wesley once said that the vilest things he had ever heard in his life came out of Avery’s motutI. it was non stop during the game and he would shake his head at how sick a mind it had to be to come up with the stuff he said.

by sittler27 on Dec 15, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn…. missed the preview button… “Avery’s mouth”….. unless “motutl” is Latin for “mouth”.

by sittler27 on Dec 15, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I read it as motuti and figured it was some sort of hockey speak nickname for a foul mouth. I like it.

Twitter @HMof2

by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Avery, I am convinced has a personality disorder. I can think of no other explanation for his behavior. Here’s a guy who could make $3,000,000.00 a year or more playing hockey if he merely acted within the band of behavior of 98% or so of the NHL hockey players. He would not have to be a saint, only on the outer limit of permissibility.

by abramsdoug on Dec 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Hasn’t he been making that kind of money for YEARS? If you’re talking about next summer, that’s one thing. But his behavior (which goes back to his Kings days) didn’t hurt him when he signed his last contract.

by efrancis on Dec 15, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Avery’s career is in jeopardy due to his personality, not his skills. He has been shipped from team to team, not due to lack of ability but because he is ultimately bizarre as a person.

by abramsdoug on Dec 17, 2011 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

how sick a mind it had to be to come up with the stuff he said.

And then he goes and does good things off the ice. Such a strange man.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Dec 15, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Concussions

I have stayed away from posting on this topic up until now. The end of my career did not come at my choice and, while it seems a lifetime away and there are no regrets, I remember the feeling when it was over.

I have seen some blame the game, equipment, coaches, trainers, etc. Certainly I think there are improvements that can be made to equipment. Getting hit in the head by the current materials in these elbow and shoulder pads is like getting hit with a bat. They are testing "softer’ materials with some players and teams and hopefully the results will be positive. Not so sure about helmets. The issue is that you are going at high speeds and then there is a sudden stop and your brain compresses. But boxers also suffer from blows so there is likely some benefit to improved helmet technology. More important is mouthguards that absorb shock. I think there is much work that needs to be done with those.

But we players are also part of the problem. Some don’t like the feel of the better helmets. Same with the mouthguards. They don’t use them and won’t until they are mandated. Even more important is that we lie when were asked how we feel. Players just want to play. The thought is that these post concussion symptoms are what happens to the “other guy” and never to me. I remember after one concussion I would see big black circles every time I turned my head quick or took a hit. I felt vertigo going down stairs and often nausious. This went on for months. Our trainers and team doctor asked me how I was doing and the answer was always “just great”. Never wanted to miss a shift let alone a game. Even with what we know now, I doubt that will ever change and it is the rules that are now put in place that in essence protect players from themselves. This “quiet room” rule was put in place because there is no way a player will ever take himself out of the game unless forced to. Doesn’t mean we are smart or right about this because obviously the medical facts say otherwise. But nevertheless, that is just the way competitors think. They don’t call hockey and football “gladiator” sports for nothing and the fans put down their $50 bucks and more to see the big hits.

by sittler27 on Dec 15, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Have you read Jeremy Roenick’s post over at NHL.com today on this? Similar to, but more pointed than what Muller said in the pregame audio the Canes just posted.

Highly recommend it – and I don’t usually find his posts all that worthy. This one’s spot on.

League needs help from players to limit concussions

Twitter @HMof2

by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks… that was very good. I’m really warming to JR as an analyst not only for his views on topics such as this but how he breaks down game situations and plays.

by sittler27 on Dec 15, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more. He is colorful and sometimes divisive, but I love to watch him. And you get the feel he doesn’t put it on for show. He is just a guy who really loves the game. People give him crap for when he choked up at the Hawk winning the cup, it was one of my fav JR moments. It showed his love for the game, reverence for the magnitude of winning the cup, and his humanity. I prefer that to Milbury’s smarminess any day.

by wylde4canes on Dec 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer that to Milbury’s smarminess any day.

It’s not even smarminess with that guy, its this air of infallibility. He acts like picking Rick Dipietro #1 never happened.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Dec 15, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

....and

All the trades (Chara,Luongo, et all ) he made did not happen either.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Dec 15, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s like a Bull in a China shop. I love the way Ron McLean responds to him sometimes, verbally or with body language.

by Hockeydog on Dec 15, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Milbury played without a helmet. See: concussions; cumulative effects.

by surgalt on Dec 15, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He is still better than Pierre McGuire, Cant stand that douch!

by RobbinDollar on Dec 15, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

out of curiousity where do you watch Milbury? HNIC or VS/NBC.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

is that to me? If so on VS/NBC.

by wylde4canes on Dec 16, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed about players not wanting to tell trainers the full extent of what they’re feeling. I was guilty of this, I certainly didn’t tell our trainer I was vomitting every morning for 2 weeks and felt vertigo when driving. It’s tough though, you want to play, every night you sit out injured you feel like you’re letting the team down, which is why trainers can’t take what players say at their word. If the trainer has any suspicion a player has sustained a concussion take them to the quiet room and baseline test them, take the decision out of the hands of player.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 15, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

Great comments sittler. Agree 100%. We had this drilled into our heads all the time in college (my major was related to changing health behaviors). Changing a culture like hockey takes more than a few rules and a doctor shaking his finger at you. It’s a two way street. It’s my hope that players will look at Crosby and Giroux and Skinner and do a better job of working with the league to protect each other.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Dec 15, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The issue is that you are going at high speeds and then there is a sudden stop and your brain compresses

This is a big issue in auto racing. The brain bangs into the skull as you described. Looking at Skinners hit, I think the head didn’t take a significant direct blow but the speed of the collision was high enough to slam his brain against his skull. His head never hit the ice. Softer shoulder and elbow pads would make that impact not as violent, and therefore maybe allow the body and head to decelerate a little slower. Anything will help.

I don’t see many players, if any that wear the Messier helmet, which is much more protective than the lids players are wearing now. It’s a two part issue, player restraint and equipment modification.

Your insight based on experience is very much appreciated Sittler!

by Hockeydog on Dec 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, the human body simply isn’t designed to travel at high speed and stop abruptly.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

A few weeks ago I was sucker punched by a guy who weighs about 80 pounds more than me. I didn’t have a concussion, but the punch left me with vertigo for several days. There were several different sensations of dizziness that would affect me without warning. The best way I could describe it was standing in a boat. I had the same feeling when I was sitting in a car. Other sensations ranged from spinning rooms to those moving floors in a fun house. I would catch myself reaching out for something to grab in order to keep my balance. I’ve never had a concussion, but I’ve heard people say vertigo is only one symptom. Reading the comments about the nausea, black circles, and so on, really helps shed some light on what these guys are having to deal with. Thanks for posting this, Sit.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that’s a concussion.

by RobbinDollar on Dec 15, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Was it your first concussion? Was your bell rung before? Ever see stars? Knocked woozy?
Diagnosis for a concussion is much more symptom based than examination based. As RD said correctly you were concussed. The best exam for the cumulative effect of concussions is the one done on Booregard post mortem. Avoid sucker punches or wear a helmet with a full face shield next time you go drinking in that dive.

by surgalt on Dec 15, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it handy to wear a mouth guard when going in dives! That way you can talk all the trash you want and very few will understand you. They just think your special and tend to leave you alone.

by RobbinDollar on Dec 15, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it was indeed an dive, but I wasn’t drinking. I was working. Unfortunately for me, mouth guards aren’t standard issued equipment. ;)

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a CT scan and the diagnosis was fluid in my inner ear. There was no nausea or anything else. Only dizziness. I guess the direction I was going with my post was that vertigo sucks. Compounding that with all of the other symptoms must really be difficult to deal with. Concussions or other traumatic brain injuries are injuries that a lot of people, including myself, don’t really understand. These injuries to the league’s superstars are really bringing a lot of scrutiny to it, and hopefully a better understanding as to why it takes a player so long to return.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Dec 15, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I have had a bunch of them, hockey and dive bars. I have never felt nausea with any of them, I have be completely out a few times, mostly in my mid teeens. I do have trouble focusing and retaining information after one, and it tends to last longer after each. Sad thing is I get them really easy now. Its not an unconscious thing either. Most have been stars, spots, blurry vision kind of things. I get a weird out of body feeling, like im watching myself for a few days, hard to explain. Never felt sick but tough to sit at a computer.

Anyways sorry to turn this into a my boo boo and your boo boo story but figured I would show that its different for everybody.

by RobbinDollar on Dec 15, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

A Head Shot/Concussion Rule

I was thinking about a way for the NHL to hopefully reduce the amount of head shots that players dish out. Yes, currently they get fined; but there are generally back in no time. What if the NHL made a rule that if you head shot a player and it is deemed an illegal hit, then you are suspended for as long as that player is on the shelf? This would not prevent all concussions, but it should help eliminate the thug players that repeatedly make these dirty hits. Just for example, if this rule was already in place for the past couple of seasons; then Matt Cooke would still be sitting in the crowd for the hit he put on Marc Savard. Is that fair, I’m not completely sure; but it would make these players think twice before going after someone’s head.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 15, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Two of the most recent concussions were collisions with between players on the same team – Giroux (with Simmonds) and Milan Michalek (with Karlsson). We’re just so sensitive to it now. Used to be ignored, until Cooke/Savard and then Crosby last Jan 1.

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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 15, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, it wouldn’t stop concussions; but maybe it would prevent certain players like Cooke & Sutton from head hunting.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
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by PackPride17 on Dec 15, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

League Liability and Concussions

The toothpaste is out of the tube and there is no putting it back. Medical science has much more to learn but the brain damage occurring from the cumulative effect of multiple concussions is not doubted. The NHL has no choice but to act swiftly to reduce head injury risks or have massive legal exposure from the ruined life of an ex-player or even a class action suit representing all ex-players.

by surgalt on Dec 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

on a side note...

this time next year, we’ll all be watching the Canes in PNC Arena:

http://www.wral.com/business/story/10504562/

Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)

by thebl4ckd0g on Dec 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

It feels like Pittsburg’s home rink every time the Pens are in town anyway.

by sittler27 on Dec 15, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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