Community Guidelines Update
by Bob Wage on Mar 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT
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PrintDuring the past couple of weeks, we have had some discussion to see if it was possible to improve the conversation here at Canes Country. For the most part I think we have excellent participation, and once again, I would like to thank those of you who take the time to share your thoughts, elaborate on them, and participate in a conversation.
We have had some complaints though and since it is my goal to make this site as informative as well as fan friendly as I can, (in a reasonable manner), I have tweaked the Community Guidelines a bit so everyone can be aware of expectations.
The primary change is the addition of a new section called, "Relentless Negativity", and no, I didn't make up that term. Other popular SBN blogs, such as Japers' Rink and Pension Plan Puppets have the same guideline and it works very well for them. While I don't think this pertains to the majority of our members here, this new guideline will hopefully clean up some needless, redundant spam that doesn't do anyone any good.
I'll copy and paste the guideline below:
9. Relentless Negativity: In general, negative points of view are welcome at Canes Country. If presented in the right way, with some reasoning or while proposing solutions, such viewpoints can usually lead to productive discussion which can then end up benefiting much of the community as a whole. Also, people get frustrated from time to time and will post emotional outbursts, especially during open game threads. That is also understandable and acceptable, within reason. But when a member constantly repeats the same negative message over and over, without anything else to add, that will be considered a form of spamming and that person will be warned to stop and could be banned. (Example: Coming into a game thread during a loss and repeating multiple times, the team stinks, this player stinks, that coach stinks, this happened because the GM stinks, etc. etc. That will be considered spamming. One or two such posts are usually plenty enough to get your message across.)
Of course this is subjective and can be open to interpretation. We will do our very best to be as fair as we can be regarding enforcement.
If you feel any of our guidelines are being violated at any time, please flag the comment or send me an email. Sometimes we are not online and can not make a warning or we don't see the comments in question until it's too late.
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As the Top Rule Breaker
Of relentless negativity. I offer my apologies to the entire board.
Gets the best of me and brings out the worst. My apologies and call me out when needed.
by WStout on Mar 22, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Does me posting “CAM WARD SAYS NO!!” count as relentless negativity? I say it a lot.
Still not a crook!
Thank You!
Bob, thanks so much for addressing this and updating the terms. It is greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work. Because really…it’s good. Really good! Thanks for letting me be a part of the community. GO CANES!
As a regular poster at Japers Rink and a regular reader of this fine blog – I will say that it starts with the Mods but ultimately it ends with the community. It’s up to the posters to uphold and keep these sanctuaries of sports awesomess clean and fun for everyone.
so far so good. No one has said that Bubba stinks. That’s a plus
Editing Manager of Canes Country.com
I have not posted recently nor have I even read past the paragraphs that can be seen without going past the jump in weeks due to the relentless barrage of negative comments that offer no solutions to the problems the team faces. Nor when the poster is asked for solutions or at least to expand upon their comment with their suggestions, their response is frivilous or banal at best.
I have found this board to be the best information online for the Canes. But there is enough negativity in the rest of life for me to voluntarily subject myself to it here. I hope this improvement will allow me to rejoin the community.
by Chuck Burns on Mar 22, 2011 2:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How about another guideline titled, “Relentless Boychuk/Dalpe”?
If they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it
if we put smiley faces after negative rants, does that negate their negativity? just kidding, i’ll play nice…sigh….
My opinion on Maurice remains the same.
Negative rants are not a bad thing, launch in too one any time now.
It is the relentless negativity which serves no other purpose than to publically piss and moan, that gets a bit old.
Case in point last game thread. seeing as he called himself out at top of this discussion… WSTOUT, before the first period was over, and prior to Bob even pointing out..“hey enough we get the point” , had 13 posts in some variation of Mo sucks, or mo’s systems sucks, or every other flavor of some negative vitriol which implied… Mo sucks… He was averaging roughly a post a minute with nothing other than in some essence “Mo sucks”
Hey if he wants to do a full page Fan post on Mo sucks and why… go whole hog… knock yourself out… but during a game thread?
He gave a very perfect example of the relentless part of relentless negativity.
If people are negative in a thread, no problems to me, hell i understand and am bitchy at times myself (especially questionable play or coaching decisions (i.e. why does our 4th line not see more ice time!))
but it is the relentless, nothing new to add, beating that horse to glue stuff that drags the vibe of the entire thread down.
Chose your spots and most importantly, aim to be constructive.
Negative criticism can still be constructive, if it adds to the evaluation and or discussion of the topic at hand. When it slips into the relentless category is where many get turned off by it and wish to tune it out.
If only we had this at the RBC Center
I could SPAM “C-Leaguer” and “East of Here” for their relentless negativity as they sit right behind me.
The 90 mile ride home after a 'Canes loss is getting old! I'm becoming a believer, M-M-G.
Where do u guys sit? Like to meet and greet.
by WStout on Mar 22, 2011 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least if the team isn’t entertaining…they ususally are
/it helps to be in the jungle, baby
I am not a heavy drinker. I can sometimes go for hours without touching a drop --Noel Coward
by DaveLovesBier on Mar 22, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather sit with the " Bayud Fayuns! " any day. Most places in the arena are like sitting in the bleachers of a JV Girls basketball game. " Yay guys, great job. Way to let them score on you! Great job guys, you’re really doing great …. " and so on. At least with those two, its always creative.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Mar 22, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I try to have fun with it. It is, after all, supposed to be entertainment.
But alas, I think my time here is pretty much done. I can’t make my usual snarky jokes and comments if I know it’s just going to get reported as being “relentlessly negative”. And I really don’t want to read a “sanitized” sports board. But if that is what this place needs to become to survive/thrive, then that is the direction it needs to go, as this board is not (and never was) created for me or any other single poster. It was created to be a community. And, like any other community, if you don’t like the restrictive covenants, sell your house and move to the country. The fresh air will do me good.
by East of Here on Mar 23, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My theory is that those that joined the fan club for the ’06 Cup run, in particular, really have no idea the adversity this fan base has endured under Mo (pick a year, any year :-D)
So, their frustration level is just not has high as long-time fans, in my opinion, and their tolerance for negativity colored by relatively recent success.
Not sure I’m really caring for the artificial dampening of fan enthusiasm either, but just wanted to again acknowledge that every other serious (accent on the serious) Canes fan board of which I’m aware pretty much takes it as a given that “Mo must go”. So, you’re not alone and I feel your pain.
To me, the rants were just that and I can easily let my eyes drift by them, acknowledging them for what they are, rants and not serious thoughtful posts.
But, such is the Flavor of the Thread…at least to me. Happy hunting for a home, if this one no longer suits. :-)
Here we are now...entertain us.
Oh I’ll still check out the blog, but I think I am gonna stay out of the comments. If you don’t say it, nobody can complain about it.
by East of Here on Mar 23, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
East, this is not about sanitizing all that is negative or not allowing a few snarky jokes. This is about not having the exact same complaint posted by the same person 10 to 20 times in succession (in a variety of ways) in the same thread. It’s only fair to actually have a rule about this before we ask folk not to do it in the threads.
In my mind, this is not any different than someone posting “please buy my product” 20 consecutive times, and no one seems to have any complaint about stopping those people. But since it’s something negative about the team, they should be allowed to say the same thing countless times?
Perhaps I should also add a line that “relentless positivity” will also not be tolerated. Maybe that would make some folk feel better and it would be fair, although i don’t recall having that problem.
I really don’t see how this creates any change as to how the majority of people post.
Editing Manager of Canes Country.com
It’s certainly not going to change the way I post, but it does affect the read here a bit.
Guess I just have more personal tolerance of the need for some people to rant and rave for a bit, so if KenRab wants to post a dozen or more times that Cam should have been started in Chicago, then I just laugh and move onward.
Similarly, I have enjoyed Capt. Stinky’s and others rants about how “Mo must go”, understanding perhaps the spirit in which it is posted, and feeling their pain.
But, it is a community, and if the community wants it to be PG here, then so be it. Happy, happy, joy, joy. :-)
Here we are now...entertain us.
It certainly isn’t personal, Bob. I just don’t wanna piss anybody off or feel I have to add something constructive to everything I post that isn’t positive. We’ve posted on the Canes together since the old N&O board, so you know my brand of humor and how I post. And, if that runs the risk of bothering other posters, then maybe I shouldn’t post. Again, this is about maximizing the happiness/participation on the blog as a whole, not any one poster. I doubt I’ve ever done or posted anything here that was outright banworthy, nor have I ever spammed the discussion with negativity. However, I do hold opinions which some here clearly find unwelcome. I have no desire to cause problems for you and your staff; or create an extra hassle of sorting through “reported” posts. And, given my brand of humor, that is exactly what will happen at some point. You’ve done a great job growing this site into what it is today. I am not gonna dirty that up.
by East of Here on Mar 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
My attempt at humor failed.....
Sorry East….just joking….your comments and posts are always well timed…well thought out….and humorous…same with the comments in the RBC Center…..Same with you C-Leaguer……..
It was more a shot at the wording…“relentless negativity” which while descriptive is hard to censor….
The 90 mile ride home after a 'Canes loss is getting old! I'm becoming a believer, M-M-G.
It's all good, brother!
I knew what you meant. Besides, you know deep in your heart that you could never truly enjoy a game without us around. You don’t drive 90 miles just to see the games. You drive 90 miles to drink beer and hang out with the misfits. The game is just the icing on the cake. Admit it.
by East of Here on Mar 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
East, I would definitely miss your humor. You have cracked me up countless times when I go back and read the game threads.
In my opinion, your posts are not “relentless”.
This is difficult because everyone has different sensibilities, and for some, they change from day to day, but I’m not looking to re-invent the wheel, just trying to define it a bit.
Editing Manager of Canes Country.com
This is difficult because everyone has different sensibilities, and for some, they change from day to day, but I’m not looking to re-invent the wheel, just trying to define it a bit.
Oh, I get that Bob. In fact, I don’t think the policy itself is unreasonable. In fact, I think it is facially pretty fair. But the underlying tone lately is that a lot of participants here don’t like to read negative comments. And, in a written medium, there is so much room for misunderstanding, especially when the intent of a post is humor or satire. You guys have to walk a tight line and your job is tough enough without having to arbitrate petty squabbles and avoidable misunderstandings. This is more self-moderation on my part than anything else. My intent/tone is not always clear, and nerves seem pretty raw right now. I just think that with the current atmosphere, my humor/insights might not be appropriate/appreciated here at this particular time. Nothing more, nothing less.
by East of Here on Mar 23, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno, I think it is fine. I think the issue is less about the negativity and more about the method in which it is expressed. A Snarky joke or a well placed tirade BELONG in the discussion. Mo Must Go every third post just gums up the works. Just my two cents on it. I think, correct me if I am wrong Bob, the purpose isn’t to surpress negativity, but just give Bob and Cory ( and whoever else amongst the CC crew is doing it) the ability to say to somone, OK, that is enough. I don’t think it is about trying to be able to remove posts or censure in that fashion.
I don’t always agree with you EOH, but I hope you will stick around. We need the folks like you on this board. Hell, I may be the only one, but I miss paladin!
Hell, I may be the only one, but I miss paladin!
I miss HPX, who never came here.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Mar 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible?....
outside of the explanation above to extract some past posts that fall into the ‘relentless" criteria and sanitize the actual member’s identity to provide an example? I like the idea of allowing a conversation to occur and that mindless repetitive rantings or expletives are a distraction and not generally part of a good banter. I am just a little…(very little) concerned about squelching the openess of this forum and outlawing general dissent against coaching decisions, player effort, opinion about talent and direction of the team etc..I get it…just a little weirded out that it came to this….most trolls get self policed by the community anyway….
2 years to the Cup
by Caniac233 on Mar 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You might as well consider this the “Mo must Go” policy.
or last year the “Brindamour must go” or “trade staal” policy
I don’t think so…I hope not anyway. While Paul Maurice is a solid players coach and aheckuva nice guy in the community, there should come a day when he move up or on. This team will benefit, like do most teams, with a paradigm shift in coaching that transforms the team and instills belief and system that allows the team to remain a top 6 team perinially. I agree that blaming all losses and mistakes on Mo is ridiculous…it is just easy and satisfying at times…kinda like moaning about Pitkanen fumbling or loafing on the blue line. By the way…I predicted before the last game that JP would score a goal just to keep me interested.
2 years to the Cup
Look at the last game day thread.
It is not a what gets said, it is the frequency and the manner.
At least that is what I take from the guide line changes..
It is not a change to get rid of negativity… just relentless, negativity.
If you are kicking into double digit posts bitching about roughly the same topic and it has not even reached the first intermission…. odds are that is deemed relentless. At least that would be my guess.
for me...
What is annoying is not the negativity—it’s the lack of a point that is posted 100 times. For instance, I feel (along with probably a lot of others) that Capt. Stinky makes very valuable posts b/c he has an opinion but also adds to the discussion. Also, it seems clear to me that he loves the team, just thinks the coach should be fired. I am assuming this post isn’t about him.
My issue is with people who post debate-killing one-liners that don’t advance anything. Positive or Negative. That’s why spam is annoying, b/c it is just there and doesn’t provide any good to the conversation.
However, I was a debater in high school and college so my system may be skewed…
by chrisbrasfield on Mar 23, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
correction....
My issue is with people who post debate-killing one-liners that don’t advance anything…repeatedly in the same thread.
by chrisbrasfield on Mar 23, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
The problem is when the negativity takes over a thread by the poster trying to spread their negative agenda as a response to every post. I dont think it would be a problem if that poster would just state their opinion one time instead of continually responding to other posts with the same stuff.
It was pretty obvious about a week ago, the poster was responding to every other post saying it was the coaches fault. “The team needs to work on this”….“Its the coaches fault”….“The PP needs different players on it”….“Its the coaches fault”….“slow start”….“coach sucks”….“warm beer”….“coach pissed in it”….
If they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it
There’s a scene in one of my favorite movies, Ordinary People, that goes like this. Depressed, suicidal kid just finds out a friend has committed suicide. Shrink (excellently portrayed by Judd Hirsch) tries to help kid work through it. But kid just can’t let it go and say’s this: “I feel bad about this, really bad about this, so just let me feel bad about this!”
There were some Canes games that were just that bad. People vent, shit happens. Some days we fans were the depressed, suicidal kid. Mods/Bob here are the shrinks.
What I find confusing is that so many people actually seem to live and breath these game threads?
Mike Milbury is still a douche.
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Mar 24, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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