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What Went Wrong, Part One: The Powerplay

There have been several reasons given why the Carolina Hurricanes did not make the playoffs this past season.  Youth, inexperience, team defense, team size, and coaching have all been brought up by fans on more than one occasion. 

But even after taking all of those possible reasons into consideration, the team would have still made the playoffs if they had a respectable powerplay.   

What exactly is a respectable powerplay?  At the very least, probably one that is ranked in the top half of the league.  The Hurricanes were tied for 23rd in the league last season.  As you can see from the chart below, their 15.9% success rate was the team's lowest percentage in the past four years.

Their 55 goals scored while with the man advantage is their lowest total since the 2003-04 season when they could only muster a measly 41 goals.

Year NHL PP PP PP NHL Top
Rank Chances Goals % %
2010-11 23rd 346 55 15.9% 24.3%
2009-10 22nd 332 56 16.9% 25.2%
2008-09 18th 374 70 18.7% 25.5%
2007-08 8th 420 79 18.8% 24.1%
2006-07 25th 447 67 15.0% 22.8%
2005-06 17th 531 95 17.9% 22.1%
2003-04 30th 384 41 10.6% 21.5%
2002-03 27th 420 58 13.8% 23.8%
2001-02 12th 391 63 16.1% 20.6%
 

Star-divide

Since the team only missed the postseason by one win, or two points, an extra goal here or there could have made a tremendous difference. 

If the team would have finished in 15th place, which had a 17.5% ratio, that would have meant an additional six goals considering the same opportunities, (346).   

Would those six goals have put them in the playoffs?  Probably, but we will never know for sure.

Team Home: GP PP Opp PPG PP% Road: GP PP Opp PPG PP% Total: GP PP Opp PPG PP% SHGA
1 VAN 41 146 30 20.6 41 150 42 28.0 82 296 72 24.3 2
2 SJS 41 153 41 26.8 41 136 27 19.8 82 289 68 23.5 7
3 ANA 41 149 38 25.5 41 136 29 21.3 82 285 67 23.5 7
4 CHI 41 142 35 24.6 41 135 29 21.5 82 277 64 23.1 4
5 DET 41 154 32 20.8 41 147 35 23.8 82 301 67 22.3 7
6 TBL 41 178 40 22.5 41 158 29 18.4 82 336 69 20.5 16
7 MTL 41 150 29 19.3 41 140 28 20.0 82 290 57 19.7 6
8 CGY 41 160 41 25.6 41 158 21 13.3 82 318 62 19.5 9
9 BUF 41 139 30 21.6 41 140 24 17.1 82 279 54 19.4 13
10 STL 41 151 31 20.5 41 128 21 16.4 82 279 52 18.6 1
11 COL 41 140 27 19.3 41 125 22 17.6 82 265 49 18.5 11
12 ATL 41 142 24 16.9 41 147 29 19.7 82 289 53 18.3 10
13 MIN 41 152 30 19.7 41 140 23 16.4 82 292 53 18.2 7
14 DAL 41 169 36 21.3 41 137 19 13.9 82 306 55 18.0 15
15 OTT 41 130 27 20.8 41 127 18 14.2 82 257 45 17.5 4
16 WSH 41 145 27 18.6 41 118 19 16.1 82 263 46 17.5 5
17 NYI 41 162 25 15.4 41 140 27 19.3 82 302 52 17.2 7
18 NYR 41 151 28 18.5 41 139 21 15.1 82 290 49 16.9 5
19 PHI 41 163 29 17.8 41 132 20 15.2 82 295 49 16.6 5
20 BOS 41 143 22 15.4 41 122 21 17.2 82 265 43 16.2 5
21 LAK 41 162 26 16.0 41 130 21 16.2 82 292 47 16.1 6
22 TOR 41 155 26 16.8 41 171 26 15.2 82 326 52 16.0 8
23 PHX 41 135 24 17.8 41 154 22 14.3 82 289 46 15.9 6
24 CAR 41 181 32 17.7 41 165 23 13.9 82 346 55 15.9 6
25 PIT 41 157 22 14.0 41 154 27 17.5 82 311 49 15.8 6
26 NSH 41 147 24 16.3 41 122 17 13.9 82 269 41 15.2 2
27 EDM 41 158 23 14.6 41 146 21 14.4 82 304 44 14.5 2
28 NJD 41 114 16 14.0 41 123 18 14.6 82 237 34 14.4 8
29 CBJ 41 166 21 12.6 41 135 21 15.6 82 301 42 14.0 11
30 FLA 41 140 20 14.3 41 127 15 11.8 82 267 35 13.1 5

 

So, why did the powerplay fail?  Why was it worse than last year?

The funny thing is, the team felt good about the pwerplay at the beginning of the year.  They felt they made a couple of improvements in that area, at least at the backend. 

Anton Babchuk was re-signed,  Jamie McBain was expected to be a key piece, while Joe Corvo and Joni Pitkanen were supposed to be the drivers. 

Corvo did his part and chipped in with five powerplay goals, but Pitkanen, McBain, and Babchuk, (while he was here) only had one goal each with the man advantage. 

Eric Staal led the way with the most powerplay time and also led the team with 12 powerplay goals.  He was followed in goals by Tuomo Ruutu, (8), and Jussi Jokinen, (7). 

Corvo was second on the team in powerplay time and Pitkanen was third. 

Corvo also led the team with 18 powerplay assists followed by Staal who had 17.  Next up was Skinner with 12.

Pitkanen had 11 assists and his total of 12 powerplay points put him at sixth place on the team for powerplay scoring. 

Carolina Powerplay Points from NHL.com

The Canes had a couple of horrendous streaks during the season which hurt them. At one time they were 0-for-33 and another time, 3-for-78.  One could blame that on youth, and while McBain and Jeff Skinner did get plenty of powerplay time, the other major ice eaters were more experienced players.  

So, what do the Canes need to do to improve the powerplay for next season and get in the top half of the league?  Is the problem coaching or systematic?  Is it personnel?  Is it something else?

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Hey Bob

great charts and stats…and while this fan like others will can come up with all kinds of reasons or logic of why & why not…but and again to this fan…what ever the coaching staff did and directed the apporpiate players to do obviously didn’t work…my hope for next season is for the coaching staff ( who ever they maybe) will not only look at what the canes did but several of the top tier teams from both the est & western conferences did and see how to either rebuild the PP or tweak it here & there as next seasons team will be as young as it was with several more new/newer faces and like a master sculpting from a fresh block of clay…can mold something that will be ever better than the last to seasons or maybe on par with the 05-06 season…after all what do we the fans have to lose by looking for something like that ?? thanks again Bob…we appreciate the energy and efforts

What did you do during the playoffs ? Go Checkers v& Chiefs !!

by CaniacSteve on Apr 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

A friend of mine who played D1 hockey in college pointed something out to me when we went to a game during that miserable 0-33 PP streak.

“The forwards aren’t moving”

It was something so simple that I had failed to even think about, and the observation was correct, the defensemen were moving the puck while the forwards were parked in their positions, waiting for the blueliners to make a great pass or to pick up a juicy rebound.

The problem isn’t the players, as Sutter, LaRose (and I forget who else) finally broke the streak a week later, Sutter is a stud, but I think we can all agree that Rosie doesn’t exactly have soft hands, he’s a hustle player who scores dirty goals (something every team needs, and I hope he’s resigned, and never plays on the top line again) and his goal, a tip-in I beleive, was created by movement that got the defense out of position and created a shooting lane from the top of the circle (If my memory serves)

The problem is the system, Staal, Jussi, Ruutu and Skinner know how to move and make plays, but when they get stuck in a rut it’s the coach’s job to either light a fire under their rears or put in different players, and this staff did neither.

One thing your stats show is how Pitkanen isn’t as valuable as we’ve been led to believe. Is he a top-4 defenseman? Most definitely, but as we saw with Ian White, who had around a $3.5 million cap hit, this team can’t afford to shell out $4.5 million for a defensemen who disappears for weeks at a time. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have Joni back, but not at a $4.5 million clip, maybe $3-4 million, but I doubt he’d be willing to take that kind of a pay cut (depends on what he’s offered on the open market, which typically overpays for everything) I could see a big market team throwing a lot of money at him, and I just hope that JR doesn’t sell the farm to keep him around.

by Kubota on Apr 27, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Kubota…. you are 100% dead on

by Franklnc on Apr 28, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a lot things that didn’t go right with the powerplay, but the number one thing that has to be changed for next year is how it’s coached, especially when things aren’t going well which is going happen. The Canes breakout didn’t really change the whole year, every now and then you’d see a tweak but for the most part it looked the same – Pitkanen up the middle. You can’t have a proficient powerplay if you can’t establish control once you enter the zone. Once the Canes established control which was very inconsistent they seemed to generate chances. Start special teams a week early in training camp and work on 3 different breakouts otherwise it’s too easy defend, the Canes have too many offensively gifted players to have such a poor powerplay.

by Go_Shelf on Apr 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Seconded

This season ended the same way last season did, with me feeling optimistic about next year.

by Kubota on Apr 27, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worth Noting

10 more PP goals would have put us in the top 10 in the NHL and likely the playoffs.
The margin is so small between a good powerplay and one that needs improvement.

The frustrating part was our 5-3; Especially early in the season when we tried 5 forwards. I wanted to throw a brick through my TV set.

Desperation from Day One......let's not wait until the end!

by Mullett on Apr 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

As some one who went to several practices, I can testify that the coaches screamed for movement. It was part of almost every practice I saw. I agree it didn’t translate to the ice, but it was practiced. So was puck possession. I saw several approaches tried, some mundane, some exotic , to get the puck in the zone with possession. I didn’t see that always (or even often) applied on the ice. I’ve said before, coaches don’t get to go on the ice to play, the players have to do that. I honestly thought that the power play had two serious problems. First was the lack of a big body (or frequently any body) in front of the net. Second, failure bred failure. The power play units showed no confidence in thyemselves. The play was tentative and at times almost panicy (sp) Confidence might have helped, but playing the way they practiced would have also.

by ncyankee on Apr 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for that insight (seriously) I unfortunately never have time to go to practices, so it’s good to hear about what they’re up to.

I agree about the big body in front of the net on the PP also, but unfortunately the guys that make their money by parking in the slot are few and far between in today’s NHL. I remember a few seasons ago the coaches tried to get Ruu to take on that role, but those guys take a lot of punishment, something I can’t blame any player for not wanting to put up with very much. The best at it in the league right now, Tomas Holmstrom, is known for wearing shin pads on his calves (as well as his shins) to protect against the constant leg slashing he has to endure from goalies and defensemen. I’m glad he’s on a WC team, I can root for him without feeling very conflicted, but he’s a holdover from the pre-lockout nhl, and at 37-38 he doesn’t have too many more years left in the tank, plus he typically misses 10-20 games per season, and the Canes can’t necessarily afford to spend huge money on a player only playing 3 out of every 4 games, even if he’s amazing in the playoffs, it wouldn’t matter if your team can’t get into the playoffs in the first place.

Still, it’d be awesome if they could find an affordable power forward in free agency, it’s not impossible, and JR is known for being shrewd about those types of moves. Or maybe a player like Troy Bodie will be desperate enough to stay on the squad to try and take on that type of role, a $500K, 2-way contract would be a low risk/high potential reward type of situation for Bodie, but at this point in his career, (being 26) is he even willing to take a 2-way deal?

by Kubota on Apr 27, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

With all due respect to my very favorite Finn, he’s never afraid to park himself in front of the net. Never. And he has a quick, accurate shot that lends itself to cleanup opportunities in front of the net. Problem is, he’s not all that big, nor does he always seem to be capable staying upright on his skates (insert eyeroll emoticon here), so if there’s a big defender in front of the opposing goalie, he really is often outmatched.

Phoblographer and Finn Aficionado
SISU

by Jamie Kellner on Apr 27, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

LTD, you so very accurately describe the issue with Ruutu having to play the role of “man in front of the net.” He is stronger than an ox and has sisu to the moon, but it is far from his best, highest use to plant him in front of the net for the reasons you describe.

by abramsdoug on Apr 28, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. Because the Canes don’t have many forwards with size, Ruutu is asked to take on some roles for which he’s not well suited. He’s tough, but he’s nowhere close to the size of guys like Lucic or for that matter Horton and multiple other Bruins forwards that are tough for the Canes’ D to handle. If the Canes added a bigger player, Ruutu’s value would increase because he wouldn’t have to go into so many situations where he’s physically overmatched but the best the Canes have to offer.

by curiouscanesfan on Apr 28, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ruu may have not panned out as a crease-clogger, but he has made himself valuable in many other ways. His hitting, responsible defensive play and offensive ability and somewhat-veteran presence in the locker room are invaluable. I’m glad he’s still under contract (right?).

My point with Holmstrom is that why we may not have a player like him, very few teams do anymore, so it doesn’t mean this team can’t be competitive.

by Kubota on Apr 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ruutu is incredibly valuable IMO. There are still limits to what he can be expected to do at 205 lbs. He’s slightly above average in size for an NHL forward. He’s not nearly as big as David Backes, Milan Lucic, Ryan Clowe, Shane Doan, Johan Franzen, Chris Stewart, Nathan Horton, etc. That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with Ruutu – just that he’s often being asked to play bigger than he is.

by curiouscanesfan on Apr 28, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I know that was the point I was trying to make. Ruutu is awesome; but asking him to be David Backes is not a great plan.

by abramsdoug on Apr 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope none of you were thinking that my comment implied I didn’t think he was incredibly valuable.

Somehow I think not :)

Anyhow, yes, Kubota he has another year left on his contract, at $4.4m ($3.8m cap hit).

Phoblographer and Finn Aficionado
SISU

by Jamie Kellner on Apr 28, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good observations.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was a combination of things. First I agree the team was very stationary during the PP. Watch the better PP teams, tons of motion away from the puck. So the players didn’t instinctively move, and the coaching staff did not address the lack of motion off the puck. Then there was getting in and establishing control. There really was no aspect of a good PP that was evident. I think the majority of the credit for the dismal PP should go to the coaching staff. Go_Shelf has a good point, the staff didn’t respond when the PP’s wheels fell off. I don’t think the team had players capable of producing a Canucks level of PP performance, but I do think it could have been coached btter, based on what the players were capable of doing. Sadly it was an element of the game that cost the team a trip to the post season.

by Hockeydog on Apr 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

they just never or didn’t make the right adjustments especially in game adjustments. What seemed to cause the most havoc on the breakout was down ice pressure, they never really had an answer for this the whole season. When we would do it (penalty killing) to a team like Tampa for example they’d stretch the ice and kills us on an odd-man attack with one quick pass.

by Go_Shelf on Apr 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to put the blame on any one thing.

There were plenty of things that went wrong on a game to game basis, but I still say this team outperformed its talent overall.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll say it again….crazy is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different outcome. Our powerplay never evolved. Joni would bring the puck up the ice while Staal hugged the wall at the blue line to mesmerize the other team’s PK and Jussi would try to sneak up the middle, get a good pass from Joni, and have a mini-breakaway. How many times did we see it over and over? Certainly the other teams covered it in video sessions. And they learned how to shut it down. What did we do? The same thing over and over and it never worked. We just couldn’t understand why we couldn’t make a smooth transition through the neutral zone. And it affected everything else we did. When we did get the puck into the O zone we were so predictable. Joni slap pass to Jussi on the back door. McBain sharp angle shot from the right side. Corvo skating to the middle throwing it at the net for a Ruutu tip. Over and over and over. Staal wraparound. Over and over and over.

by coastalcaniac on Apr 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

+eleventy

This is the best league in the world, it’s possible to have set plays on the powerplay and succeed, especially when the players are loose and comfortable in the system.

It’s impossible to place all of the blame on the coaches, the players play and the coaches coach, but it’s easier/cheaper to fire/re-assign a coaching staff of a half-dozen or so (or even just the head coach) than to trade away every single player and get equal or better value.

by Kubota on Apr 27, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Bob for the stats. What I’ve enjoyed the most this post-season is watching the playoff teams work their respective power plays. Some have been horrendous (Pens, Bruins for sure), but most are pretty good looking whether they score or not. I didn’t realized that MOST teams don’t resort to the dump in, like we do. While we don’t have the skill set of Capitals or Chicago, the idea is the same. work the puck into the zone, set up, high low, and QUICK shots. These teams don’t hold the puck, think, then shoot (allowing goalie and defense to set up).

As Lavi used to yell: “ERIC, ONE TIMAH”.

#gonnahaveabreakdown

by ivyleager on Apr 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think there’s a real key as well—the old, hig to low, low to high working system. We seem to always be trying for a point shot—if that’s taken away it didn’t look like we had any plays to be made from down low, along the goal line or behind the net. We seemed to sometimes have a plan from the halfwall, but never from down low. When the points were guarded close, we had no answer… Other teams if the points are covered, the forwards work a game down low, if that’s taken away they work back to the points.

by Squeaky83 on Apr 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve also enjoyed watching power plays in the post-season. For these playoff teams, both the players and the puck fly compared to what we see with the Canes. Teams like the Flyers, Canucks and Blackhawks either have far more talent as passers or they’re doing something totally different from what the Canes do. Are the Canes afraid to pass as much because they can’t pass accurately enough to get the puck through?

One factor may be that the Canes’ D-men, despite being maligned for ill-advised pinches, don’t seem to rush the net nearly as much as those other teams. Teams like the Hawks seem to have far more more rotation of D-men with forwards. They can all skate really well, shoot and pass. Canes’ D-men seem to spend a very high percentage of their time at the blue line, as though their overwhelming responsibility on the power play is defense. If both D-men stay back, the other team has four roving defenders to clog shooting lanes and cover three forwards. Anywhere close to the goal, the defense has a man advantage on the Canes’ power play.

On the 5 on 3, it almost looks as though the Canes line up their shots on the other teams’ shot blockers. It’s amazing how seldom the Canes can get a clean shot through. I don’t understand why.

by curiouscanesfan on Apr 27, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I can’t count the number of times I heard a player booed by the RBC crowd for passing up a shot on the powerplay when if he had shot the puck it would have gone into his defenders’ shin pads. The D-Men (and Eric Staal) got too much blame for the shoddy PP work, you can’t control your teammates on the ice (the last time I checked at least)

by Kubota on Apr 27, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The shots they should be passing up are the times they HOLD the puck and let the defender come at them. THEN they shoot and puck bounces out of the zone or out of their control. When that happens 60 times a season, I’ll boo for sure.

If the puck is moving quickly to the open man and the shot is quick, there will rarely be a defender in position in front of the shooter. Now, in front of the net, that’s a different problem.

#gonnahaveabreakdown

by ivyleager on Apr 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Truth.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that shooting more would help a LOT.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe sign wiznewski

i think hes a UFA after this season with the habs

by muffinman2 on Apr 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I was kind of hoping Vancouver would implode leaving Ehrhoff unlikely to be re-signed there as a UFA. He would be a great pickup as well as Wisniewski. I think we need one of these two when Pits leaves.

by JussiJuice on Apr 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

get rid of joni pit. hes a skilled player that doesnt do anything.

by muffinman2 on Apr 27, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that's an exaggeration...

But he doesn’t consistently bring to the table production equal to what he’s likely to be getting paid shortly.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved watching the Canucks PP in the playoffs. On an number of PP’s they hardly spent any time out of the offensive zone.

by Hockeydog on Apr 27, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

They are so skilled. It’s one fast, accurate past after another. It’s fun to watch.

by curiouscanesfan on Apr 27, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's nothing prettier

than watching a team execute a clean cycle leading to an open shot on net.

by Kubota on Apr 27, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve described Detroit to a tee.

#gonnahaveabreakdown

by ivyleager on Apr 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I think it’s established I’m not a Mo fan…. …So:

Our best three years were when Mo wasn’t coach. Lavi openend up the offensive game and let the offensive players show more creativity.

Players have in the past mentioned Mo stifles creativity or offensive flair, which would/could account for the forwards not moving but holding their places on the PP. Creativity—forcing the defense to move, getting them out of position opens lanes, creates uncovered shooters, and can get the goalie moving—increases scoring opportunities. We seemed to score more PP goals when our system broke down—because then we’re creating unknown chaos and taking advantage of it. But if it’s been coached asking for more movement, and the players don’t deliver, then it is up to the coach to change personnel—which was also almost never done. But at any rate i don’t think you can ask the players to rein in their offensive creativity during 5 on 5 but then expect them to display it on the PP.

System wise, we rarely had the goalie screened—that’s a blame combination of no big players on the Canes and/or the system not emphasizing it. When we did have it, we had more scoring success. Not sure why we let the goalies have good sight lines all the time.

But our two biggest problems were predictability (lack of allowing creativity) and not making the goalies job harder with screens or crease presence. We were too easy to defend and block.

by Squeaky83 on Apr 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s not a Mo vs Lavi issue because neither run powerplay units for their respective teams, I also don’t think it’s a lack of creativity issue once they get setup in ozone, we’ve seen the team’s point of attack change throughout the season. Mo took the team to the SCF in ’02 and ECF in ’09, other than ’06 what are the other 2 years that were better than ’02 & ’09?

by Go_Shelf on Apr 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

09 started as a Lavi year… 05-06, 07-08 and 08-09 were our best years—those were Lavi years. Yes, he did have one bad year in there as well, but Mo had two years well worse than that…

…coaching obviously makes a difference, I just noted Mo’s record, and therefore the Cane’s record, is pretty bad. Our only up-ticks were in years without Mo as Coach. You can decide if you think there’s any correlation or coincidence there or not. I think there’s a correlation.

by Squeaky83 on Apr 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about

01-02, when we went to the Cup Finals?

by SouthernHockeyNutter on Apr 27, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats above say 16.1% not a banner PP year… And that was with Ronnie and Brindy on the PP, both gifted PP forwards. Maybe our coach takes something away? I dunno. I was only talking about the PP—thread topic—not overall performance of the team or their results.

Anyway, remember in 02, we made it as the winner of the S.E. more than as a top playoff team.

by Squeaky83 on Apr 28, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

09 – the team got significantly better after Lavi was fired, Mo brought stability to a very fragile and inconsistent team if you remember.

by Go_Shelf on Apr 28, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

True: defensively—he tweaked responsibilities, forward rotation, and defensive mindset. He changed nothing on the PP or offense—until his first full training camp…

…Offensively we remained the same, until then.

by Squeaky83 on Apr 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Net Presence, Movement, Confidence, and Creativity

For several years I had been talking to various people in the Canes organization or commentators about what I thought was an obvious gap in the makeup of the team. The Hurricanes didn’t have a person with the size, skill sets, and temperament to plan himself in front of the net and create total chaos. The power play has been the Achilles heel of the Hurricanes since 2005-2006.

   The Hurricanes also didn’t have a player who can take a puck through traffic, split defenders, and drill shots into the back of the net. Jeff Skinner will soon gain the size, strength, and explosive speed to be that guy. In addition to the absence of adequate net presence, as others have pointed out, the Hurricanes power play lacked creativity, movement, and confidence. The fact that no significant changes took place during streaks of 0-for-33 and 3-for-78 is really disappointing.

   I remain very optimistic that the maturation of Skinner, Boychuk, Dalpe, and Bowman will help the Hurricanes become more successful on the power play in terms of highly skilled offensive forwards. McBain will also improve on the power play. Faulk too will be a great help at some time; and the major question is when Faulk will be ready. Perhaps the 2011 draft will be the time the Hurricanes find their much-needed power forward.

by abramsdoug on Apr 27, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Mark McNeill if he is still around at the 12th pick is your guy. Comparisons to Ryan Getzlaf and David Backes all around and he has been shooting up the Draft rankings.

Unfortunately I could easily see him pulling a Johansen/Niederreiter and getting picked in the top-10.

by JussiJuice on Apr 27, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mark McNeill

I don’t recall which person at Canes Country first mentioned Mark McNeill (and I apologize for not remembering); but since then I have been scouring the scouting services and hockey videos to get more information on him. I found some hockey videos on www.hockeyfights.com. I think McNeill might well be the next Getzlaf or Backes. Obviously, as far as I am concerned the Hurricanes desperately need that kind of player and need him yesterday.

by abramsdoug on Apr 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t agree with notion that it’s an organization need to get a big power forward and they should be looking specifically to draft someone that 6’3 plus, it’s more important to have players regardless of size that are willing to get their noses in the dirty areas. Daniel Briere’s one the best forwards in the NHL around the net and he’s small, same with Jeff Skinner.

by Go_Shelf on Apr 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is percentage everything?

But even with a crappy percentage didn’t the Canes still score the 9th/10th most PP goals in the league? coupled with only 6 SHG against? The Canes are really great at drawing penalties and even with a low percentage it keeps opponents regular guys off the ice and, so long as we aren’t giving up SHGs like Tampa, if they’re scoring the 9th most PP goals it doesn’t seem like the end of the world. Seems to me some consistency and less PPGs in bunches (3 in one game vs Boston for instance) would be better. Don’t get me wrong a higher percentage would be great but it seems like the goal total matters more.

by Eric Furious23 on Apr 27, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes and no

…if you are an opposing team, and you know the Canes are a weak PP team, and you get in trouble 5 on 5, then you take the penalty knowing you’ve got a great chance at killing the PP. It stops the Canes momentum, breaks up five on five rhythm, and can cause a rising frustration level.

But if the Canes don’t want to get our top players mauled, shoved to the ice, hooked or slashed, then they must start scoring on PP opportunities. Then the opposition starts talking about not taking penalties because it’s likely the Cane’s PP will score, increasing their momentum, discouraging you…

You want to penalize the other team for their actions—if you don’t or can’t ( 0/33, 3/78) then for the other team there’s no reason not to take a penalty against the Canes if you are out of position or feel like hammering a goal scorer.

by Squeaky83 on Apr 27, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, percentage is everything

Looking at number of power play goals means absolutely nothing. Just having more power play opportunities doesn’t help you if you don’t use them to your advantage.

That’s like saying the interest rate doesn’t matter if you invest enough money.

by chrisbrasfield on Apr 27, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

when evaluating if a power play is good or not

Obviously more goals are better than less goals. Just saying evaluating a power play HAS to be based on percentage.

by chrisbrasfield on Apr 27, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jeff Skinner lead the NHL in penalties drawn, or was among the top. So the Canes got a lot of opportunities. The team did not take advantage of the PP opportunities young Skinner gave them.

by Hockeydog on Apr 27, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The main

problem I saw was the break in. Once we actually would set up in the O-zone, we could really get some presure going.

The problem was that we don’t have the skill to skate it, so we have to dump it in. We don’t have the big bodies to win Puck battles that result, so we lose procession.

And we almost always lose the offensive zone faceoff.

by SouthernHockeyNutter on Apr 27, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of great comments. This is another key point. Every time we lost the draw ( and it was often) the puck goes down the ice. Not only do you lose about 20 seconds of O zone PP time retrieving the puck and breaking it back down you also have to deal with our other big weakness and that was the lack of creativity in re-enterring the offensive zone. I wonder how many of those 10 to 15 PP goals we fell short that would have made such a huge difference in our season would have been scored if we had just won some of those draws.

by sittler27 on Apr 27, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent point. the team’s inability to win faceoffs did not help.

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by Bob Wage on Apr 27, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point, they seemed to get better as the season went on, but some nights for whatever reason Staal would get dominated in the circle.

about 20 seconds

that’s the number I’ve heard as well, it doesn’t give you a lot of time on the PP when (a) you can’t win the draw and (b) it takes 3 breakouts to get properly setup.

by Go_Shelf on Apr 28, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, how about winning the freaking faceoff so we don’t spend the first ‘x’ seconds of the power play trying to gain the zone? This was the very first thought that popped into my mind.

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by Jamie Kellner on Apr 27, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other aspect of the “break in” is the other four players not providing a viable target for the puck-handler.
I was watching a late season TV broadcast by the opposition team (I don’t recall the team) and they went out of their way to put together a montage to show how lost our PP was. Half was the poor decisions by the puck-handler and half was the flat-footed crew at the blue line watching the puck-handler.
Coaching or poor execution ? I don’t know.

by drifterscape on Apr 28, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

the book

I agree with many of the comments and certainly look for improvements in this vital stat in the coming year. The book on the Canes PP for the past couple of seasons seems to be to pressure the point and the puck very tightly to rush a pass and to disrupt the Canes’ ability to ever establish shooting lanes or chances. My novice observation is the Canes always seemed rushed and were easily knocked off the puck and that PK defenders from the opponents were told to take an extra step out toward the point. Also did you notice that the first defender was willing to go deep into the Canes zone to hassle the puck mover and was often able to disrupt the flow or steal the puck?

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by Caniac233 on Apr 28, 2011 7:22 AM EDT reply actions  

   Your observations match mine as it relates to pressuring the point. Once Skinner gets strong enough to take the puck to the net, defenders won’t be able as easily to pressure the puck when he has it. Staal’s forte is not taking the puck through traffic because elusiveness is not his highest/greatest skill. Once Dalpe gets the upper body strength to drive the net in traffic, he’ll help ease that problem because he has elusiveness, speed, and a lethal shot. Of course, just having the forwards move would solve a good deal of the problem.

by abramsdoug on Apr 28, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

moving forward

it looks as if we need (1) a good faceoff man to win some draws in the offensive zone on powerplays so we don’t have to worry about entering the zone and (2) some new creative ways/plays/coaching as to how to enter the zone and get movement once we do…

"We've got to look at this," Columbus general manager Scott Howson said Monday after exit interviews with the players. "Because whatever we have right now isn't working."

by Sergeant Stinky on Apr 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

it’s a little surprsing but Staal took the most faceoffs in the NHL by 98 (that’s a lot) and his % is .48, that’s actually not bad and % is probably a little plagued by the horrible start to the season he had in the faceoff circle, so I don’t know if they need to out and get a faceoff guy.

by Go_Shelf on Apr 28, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

staal is a good faceoff guy

you dont need another center. maybe you need a sniper winger. or Wizniewski

by muffinman2 on Apr 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I’ve got to take umbrage to the idea that any mark below 50% is not bad. I suppose it’s close to average, but for a guy taking that many faceoffs, he’s got to win more than he loses.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

when you take the avg of guys above 1,300 faceoffs (it’s 17 guys), the avg is 52% which is where he should end up next season, we’d all like to see him in the Kesler, Toews, Stoll range.

by Go_Shelf on May 2, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, that's 10% better.

That’s a pretty significant improvement to make over one offseason when the dude’s been doing it his whole career.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on May 4, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Line continuity

Bob, very good points – we need beef, we need to win the Power Play, but the other thing is that we need to set lines at the beginning of the season, and stick with them. Mo and Lavi are members of the “lineup a week” club, and I think that hurt our PP. By the last 2-3 weeks, we had 12-61-26 and 15-36-53 pretty much as the top two lines, and that helped, especially as the point men settled in.

What ever happened to the 16-59-21 line? It was successful a few times, then disappeared. And can Jeff Daniels get an all-star line on the PP going down there, and we use that in preseason here – if all 3 players stick, it would make an awesome 4th line/power play line as a 3rd choice.

by jbwhite99 on Apr 28, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

The question you ask about what our record would have been like with a better PP is an interesting one.

It’s not used in hockey as much as it is in baseball or the NBA, but the Pythagorean formula attempts to estimate winning percentage based on goal differential. In that we managed to post a record above .500—.555, to be exact—despite a negative goal differential, we obviously bucked at least one trend in that regard. Still, here is the difference in our expected win percentage based on those six goals:

Unadjusted: .494
+6 goals: .506

Interestingly enough, that .012 gap in winning percentage was exactly the margin between us and the Rangers for the 8th seed.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Interestingly enough, that .012 gap in winning percentage was exactly the margin between us and the Rangers for the 8th seed.

That also assumes those extra points, or the extra wins, didn’t happen against the Rags (or Sabres which could have lowered their percentages commiserately…)

by Squeaky83 on Apr 28, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it also assumes they wouldn't have come in games which were already blowouts.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Net Power Play Goals Isn't That Bad

Sometimes it looks as though the Canes fear SH goals more than they covet PP goals. That may be why there are so many shots from the blue line. Come to find out, the Canes do pretty well in preventing SH goals. They allowed 6 which is 15th in the league.

Some of the teams that scored more PP goals than the Canes also allowed more SH goals, narrowing the differential. The Canes scored 55 PP goals so the net goals on the PP totaled 49. Only 9 teams in the NHL did better than the Canes on that measure. Only 5 teams did a lot better than the Canes.

The Lightning scored 69 PPG but allowed 16 SHG so they had 53 net PPG, only 4 more than the Canes. The Sabres scored 54 PPG but allowed 13 SHG so they had only 41 net PPG, 8 less than the Canes.

It may be tough to watch, but I guess we have to concede that playing the power play the way the Canes’ do isn’t as big a drag on the Canes’ competitive position as it seems at first glance. The missed scoring opportunities are hard to take, but the net outcome isn’t all that bad.

by curiouscanesfan on Apr 28, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

True

but overlooks the large number of attempts we had and the effect a poor power play has on your players and the other team’s decisions to take penalties…

by Squeaky83 on Apr 28, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

55 PP goals

was 9th in the league.

The Canes were 12th in goals and 22nd in goals against.

The defense needs to be upgraded.

by Gillimus on Apr 28, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

By the same token...

If you’re scoring even more often, you’re going to leave your defense in a better position to focus on preventing goals.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've always felt you build a team from the net out

well, we’ve got the net covered…then there’s a gap…then a couple of talented forwards. i wonder what the stats were this year on no. of shots the ’canes gave up on the powerplay and how that sits with the rest of the league. cam is our best defender on the PP, no doubt. On the offensive side, I know Staal took a lot of faceoffs this year, but i often saw him thrown out of the circle when on powerplays; i wonder what the stats were on his faceoff percentage on powerplays vs. 5-on-5? it just seemed like we lost A TON of faceoffs during powerplays, and then had trouble getting the puck back into the zone.

"We've got to look at this," Columbus general manager Scott Howson said Monday after exit interviews with the players. "Because whatever we have right now isn't working."

by Sergeant Stinky on Apr 28, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

In that Wardo saw a ton of shots in general...

It wouldn’t be surprising to find we gave up a bunch while shorthanded, too.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the difference in quality of shots is greater in the favor of the Canes’ opponents than the shot count. When you look at those shot charts on the NHL Ice Tracker, the other team usually has a lot more shots from short-range on Cam Ward than the Canes have at the other end. A lot of teams can park big forwards in the goal crease all night long against the Canes – the Canes D wasn’t very good at moving them out until Brian Allen came along.

I’m hoping Gleason comes back healthy and McBain and Joslin come back bigger and stronger.

by curiouscanesfan on Apr 29, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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