Carolina Salaries: Where Are They Now and Where Are They Going?
As I mentioned last week, I have received several emails asking about the Hurricanes salary situation. Where do they stand on their current salary structure? Where will they end up? Will they be able to reach the mandatory salary floor? Who can they afford to bring back?
While several factors are still fluid, in so much that we do not know exactly how much certain players will sign for, we do know what the new Salary Cap Ceiling and Floor is, and we can make some educated guesses how much those unsigned players will end up getting.
Last week it was announced that the new Salary Cap is $64,300,000 which makes the new Salary Floor, $48,300,000.
If you look at the spreadsheet after the jump, you'll see that while the Hurricanes are currently quite away from the mandatory floor, if the Canes re-sign most of their unsigned RFA's and UFA's. they will have no problem reaching that floor. As a matter of fact, they will be well over it.
| Carolina Hurricanes Salary Chart as of, 6/27/11 | ||||
| Regulars currently under contract | ||||
| 2011-12 | ||||
| Cap Hit | Actual Cash | |||
| F | Eric Staal | $ 8,250,000 | $ 7,750,000 | |
| G | Cam Ward | $ 6,300,000 | $ 6,300,000 | |
| F | Tuomo Ruutu | $ 3,800,000 | $ 4,400,000 | |
| F | Jeff Skinner | $ 1,400,000 | $ 900,000 | |
| F | Jerome Samson | $ 512,500 | $ 525,000 | |
| D | Tim Gleason | $ 2,750,000 | $ 3,500,000 | |
| D | Joe Corvo | $ 2,250,000 | $ 2,500,000 | |
| D | Bryan Allen | $ 2,900,000 | $ 3,150,000 | |
| D | Jamie McBain | $ 850,000 | $ 735,000 | |
| D | Jay Harrison | $ 700,000 | $ 650,000 | |
| G | Justin Peters | $ 525,000 | $ 550,000 | |
| Sub Total | $ 30,237,500 | $ 30,960,000 | ||
| Finished in Charlotte last year | ||||
| F | Drayson Bowman | $ 845,833 | $ 650,000 | |
| F | Zach Boychuk | $ 1,195,833 | $ 787,000 | |
| F | Zac Dalpe | $ 875,000 | $ 687,500 | |
| D | Justin Faulk | $ 843,333 | $ 790,000 | |
| $ 3,759,999 | $ 2,914,500 | |||
| Sub Total | $ 33,997,499 | $ 33,874,500 | ||
| Unsigned RFA's | ||||
| F | Brandon Sutter | $ 3,000,000 | $ 3,000,000 | estimated |
| F | Jiri Tlusty | $ 600,000 | $ 600,000 | estimated |
| F | Troy Bodie | $ 550,000 | $ 550,000 | estimated |
| D | Derek Joslin | $ 700,000 | $ 700,000 | estimated |
| $ 4,850,000 | $ 4,850,000 | |||
| Sub Total | $ 38,847,499 | $ 38,724,500 | ||
| Unsigned UFA's | ||||
| F | Erik Cole | $ 3,500,000 | $ 3,500,000 | estimated |
| F | Chad LaRose | $ 2,200,000 | $ 2,200,000 | estimated |
| F | Jussi Jokinen | $ 3,000,000 | $ 3,000,000 | estimated |
| D | Joni Pitkanen | $ 5,000,000 | $ 5,000,000 | estimated |
| F | Cory Stillman | $ 2,000,000 | $ 2,000,000 | estimated |
| F | Patrick Dwyer | $ 700,000 | $ 700,000 | estimated |
| $ 16,400,000 | $ 16,400,000 | |||
| Total | $ 55,247,499 | $ 55,224,500 | ||
| UFA 4rth line center | $ 1,000,000 | $ 1,000,000 | ||
| UFA backup goalie | $ 1,000,000 | $ 1,000,000 | ||
First of all, Jim Rutherford has a lot of work to do. He only has 10 players under contract who were regulars last year, (Justin Peters is number 11 but we shouldn't count him), and the total of those salaries is a shade over $30 million.
The team has four more players who finished in Charlotte last year, but who have a pretty good chance of making the Hurricanes this season. Those four are also under contract and their cap hit total is almost $4 million, pushing the total to $34 million.
The club has four RFA's to sign with the biggest question being Sutter's new deal. He could get lower, he could get higher, but let's use $3 million as the cap hit number. The other three players should all be under a million each. If they bring back all four players, that pushes the total to almost $39 million.
Now things get interesting regarding the UFA's.
Erik Cole made $3 million last year and will want a raise. Jussi Jokinen probably wants in the neighborhood of $3 million. If Joni Pitkanen gets a raise from his $4.5 million of earnings last year, those three players alone will bump up the cap hit total to the $51 million range. And that does not include LaRose, Stillman, and the currently unknown 4rth line center and experienced back up goalie.
Rutherford said over the weekend that he expected the team's budget to be perhaps a couple of million over the cap floor, so he can't get too crazy regarding the UFA's.
Still, the $51 million range is a far cry from the $64 million range that the big market teams will be spending. Imagine being able to spend another $13 million in free agency? But that's a different story for a different day.
Some folk mentioned that they felt Rutherford's apparent renewed interest in re-signing Jokinen and Pitkanen is based upon the higher Salary Cap Floor, but I disagree. Last year the Hurricanes spent about $50 million and I believe they intended to spend about the same this coming season, which is well over the new floor.
One thing that has changed though is that the "looming" trade for a defenseman last week is now officially dead. Rutherford confirmed that to me at the draft. Coincidentally, John-Michael Liles and Brent Burns were both traded over the weekend.
Perhaps one of those blueliners was the target and now that the deal is dead, that is why there is renewed interest in Pitkanen?
We will never know the inside stories behind the negotiations, posturing, and deal making, but things will certainly be interesting in the next week or so. We'll be watching.
((NOTE)) Please be advised that I am not implying that every player on the above list will make the final roster. This is not meant to be a look at the opening day roster and salary cost on opening day, this is just meant to be a worksheet showing what the numbers might look like if certain players are signed and others make the team. You can do your own adding and subtracting depending upon who you think will make the final cut.
(Cap numbers accumulated with help from Cap Geek.com.
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Good stuff Bob
I can’t help to think JM Liles was on Rutherford’s mind. I know he’s been interested in him for a few years now and the fact that the deal to Toronto happened around the same time JR had a change of heart on Pitkanen seems too coincidental.
I suppose we’ll see in the next coming days…
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Not having to replace those massive minutes Pitkanen plays might be the best news of the weekend for me, as a Caniac.
Hopefully it will be official sometime soon.
Wish we would
Even if he re-signs… I always thought we played our best defense by committee—we were certainly better down after we evened the minutes out more with the third line of Allen Joslin getting more minutes away from the top line.
Liek to see more even ice time all year rather than a few high minute guys. Corvo definitely plays better with less, and I think Pitkanen does too.
Great point about evening out the TOI. That did seem to help late last year.
by curiouscanesfan on Jun 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Info
Let the games/posturing begin. I could go for resigning Jussi, Joni, Dwyer, and Cole…fill the rest in with youngsters and hope for continued improvement from Sutter, Skinner and McBain.
Desperation from Day One......let's not wait until the end!
Great Work Bob
I can see the investment in Cole and Jussi. Pits at 5.0 million seems like overpaying for an underperfomer . I can’t see Stillman or LaRose at anything approaching $2.0 a year . Seems like it’s time to let the young guns have some ice time. Dwyer can fill LaRose’s role at a reasonable cost without going -22.
Joni..
Assuming you’re right about Joni underperforming (and i don’t think so), who can we get who can replace him for that LITTLE money, who’s as good, let alone better?
Good question that I am also looking for an answer too. Of all the UFAs, I see three possible replacements: Ehrhoff, Wisniewski, and Bieska. All three are due a hearty raise from last season, so they will end up costing about the same as Pitkanen I think. It is likely that one of Ehrhoff and Bieska will be retained by Vancouver, and possibly even both. Wisniewski is rumored to be in Detroit’s sights, and Detroit will likely pay what he wants. So the choices are very limited. It is all well and good that we get rid of Pitkanen, but who do we get to replace him?
Cap..??
A couple of questions Bob… of the 4 Charlotte players you think will be here, i see Faulk listed… is that the popular assumption of Mgm’t, or just yours ?
2. on two-way contracts (and i’ve forgot who, if any, has one) is their cap-hit only when in Raleigh? i know their salary is determined on where they play, but Cap = ???
I guess I should have explained better. I don’t mean for everyone to assume that all four of those players will definitely make the team. I think their chances are pretty good, but none of this will be known until training camp. Those are their cap numbers IF they make the team, for computation sake.
If they do not make the team, then the Canes pay their reduced (2-way) amount and that number does not count toward the cap.
My bad for assuming that everyone could read my mind on this. ;-)
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Great stuff, Bob. Appreciate getting this all out to look at in one place.
I think one think for folks to keep in mind (and that may not be obvious if this is your first time through the salary spreadsheet thing) is that only 23 players can be on the NHL roster at one time (or at least until after the trade deadline in the spring).
All together there are 27 players in the list above, including Justin Peters and the 2 Free Agents. There are 3 goalies, 8 defensemen and 16 forwards.
I didn’t do the math, but it appears those Salary $ totals for each grouping includes every player listed above. If I’m interpreting that correctly (?), the final total allowing for the maximum of 23 roster players and the corresponding actual Salary Money total will be less number than the total for all 27 combined. (OR: 4 NHL players at minimum is more than $2million minimum coming off the bottom line)
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
Glad it makes sense – I looked again and if those 4 players to come off the top are Peters, Bowman, Faulk and Stillman, then 23 players would take away over $4mil less in the totals.
Further, since in the past they’ve only carried 20-21 players, facilitated because Charlotte is so close by, you might take another couple $million off too by trimming 2-3 players.
Unless they don’t mind Bodie/Samson or Harrison/Joslin (just as examples) sitting out as regular healthy scratches – something the Canes haven’t done when the salary budget is so tight.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The $55 million “total” number includes everyone BUT the two unsigned free agents listed at the very bottom for $1 million each.
I thought it was self explanatory that everyone listed would not be coming back because if the budget is “a couple of million over the floor” and the total with everyone, (not counting the two at the bottom) is $55 million, then some of those listed obviously are not going to make the cut.
In the article itself, I said that the team would reach $52 million, without a number of listed players.
Of course there is also the obvious limit of players on the roster to take into consideration. Who knows if Faulk will make the team or not? I didn’t mean to imply that I thought every player on the list would be signed and would definitely make the team and apologize if people thought that.
Good point for those who did not understand. Everyone on the list is not going to brought back, or make the team, but I didn’t want to make assumptions for management on who will stay and who will go.
Plus, we don’t know the actual signing amounts yet. For instance, Cole might get 4.5 million instead of 3.5 million. There are a lot of unknowns yet, including how many people the Canes will decide to keep on the roster at the end of training camp, which is months away.
This is just a picture of where they are now, and what the consequences would be if they brought back particular players at estimated contarcts, not necessarily all of them.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Agree
If you take JR at his word, Peters will be spending time at Charlotte, and he doesn’t see signing both Jokinen and Stillman. That’s at least $2.5 million. JR has shown he’s unlikely to carry more than 20 players, with Charlotte so close. That leaves 5 more player’s salary to come off. Depending on which ones, we could again be close to the cap floor. For instance, Cole, LaRose, and Pitkanen could drop us quite a ways below.
first of all ...
Thanks Bob & HMof2 for the assist in that…good stuff and great information and HMof2 is right on her last post…as i see the canes carrying a bench of 21 encluding the back up goalie..and the rest down at the "farm’ in Charlotte..again my humble thatnks Bob and glad you’re home safe…uhh you didn’t get groped at the airports too much did ya ? as it seems the TSA goes after peeps in wheel chairs and the elderly alot these days and group alot of others as well…and did ya’l now they want to unionize ? with the AFL-CIO no less..not anti union mind you..just anti pin head and the head of the afl-cio is just that a pin head..but that’s just my opinion…Hehehe…
What did you do during the summer when the playoffs are over ?
Go Canes & Checkers !!
Thanks for the clear summary, Bob.
What’s the worst case financially if Murphy makes the team? Barring injury to another defenseman, I would assume keeping Murphy would mean trading another defenseman and not one of the young ones but a higher-paid vet.
by curiouscanesfan on Jun 27, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions
I would expect Corvo would be traded. This is his last season under contract anyway and it is obvious he is getting pushed out by the youth. In fact, I would trade him at the deadline anyway unless we are in playoff contention.
Makes sense to trade Corvo for the reasons you said. Ironically, Corvo might be the best mentor for Murphy. Corvo probably wasn’t much bigger than Murphy when drafted and he’s survived for years in the NHL trading on his offensive skills.
by curiouscanesfan on Jun 27, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah—it also gives you a year to see how Faulk or Murphy are progressing—both are our future, home grown, Corvo replacements. I like Joe, but if Faulk in particular hones his defensive game and gets acclimatized right in Charlotte this year, he’s got more talent than Joe and plays with a little more physicality.
If Joslin is brought around right this year, he could develop into a decnt two way defender who’s good in his own end, physical, but able to move the puck as well.
We have great defensive potential now (Mc Bain, Joslin, Dumoulin, Faulk, Alt, Biega, and now Murphy and Keegan) it’s development this org needs to figure out. There may not be a Weber or Chara in the group, but a lot of very good Glen Wesly or slightly better defensive types and two very capable offensive skilled guys…
Great Post!
Nice research and write up.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 27, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
Great write-up Bob…
If we were close to acquiring Brent Burns and couldn’t make it happen then I’m a sad panda. SJ gave up the moon for him, but he would have looked amazing in a Canes jersey. I certainly hope that is the caliber of D-man the Canes are looking for.
The Canes have no one under contract to match Setoguchi (drafted 8th overall not so long ago and now established). The Wild might or might not consider Dalpe as valuable as Coyle – Coyle is bigger and was drafted higher. The Canes 12th pick would have counted for something, but I doubt the Canes were ever close to getting him. Even if they were, giving up Dalpe, Murphy and a young productive established forward (Skinner? A re-signed Sutter?) would be too much. If that’s the price for Burns, the Canes can’t afford to acquire anyone like him. They’ll have to grow their own.
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