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Tuesday's Top Ten: Franchise Draft Picks

ST PAUL, MN - JUNE 24:  A general view of the draft floor during day one of the 2011 NHL Entry Draft at Xcel Energy Center on June 24, 2011 in St Paul, Minnesota.  (Photo by Hannah Foslien/Getty Images)


Every Tuesday from now until the beginning of the regular season I'll do my best David Letterman impression and put together a unique top ten list about our beloved Canes. Last week I listed the Top Ten Hurricanes Playoff Games. This week, in honor of former Whaler Michael Nylander attending training camp with Flyers, I decided to switch it up a bit. Instead of focusing my attentions to only Hurricanes history, I thought it would be appropriate to include a little Hartford Whalers information as well. 

Every team in the NHL is different. Some make big splashes in free agency come July 1, while others play it safe. Some teams salivate over trade deadline possibilities, while some are the sellers. The one event that brings every team together at the end of every season is always the NHL Entry Draft. No team can escape it, in fact those seller teams are now the ones in the spotlight.

The Whalers/Hurricanes franchise, like nearly all other teams, has gone through some great drafts and some duds. There have been questionable high picks (see Nikos Tselios, Tomas Kurka or Trevor Wasyluk) as well as later-round choices that never amounted to much of an NHL prospect (Kevin Nastiuk or Magnus Kahnberg). However, sprinkled in with the flops and disappointments are a few players that not only made it to the big show, but have left lasting impressions. Both the Whalers and the Hurricanes have produced some major NHL stars through the Entry Draft and in this weeks list, we get to take a look at some of them.

Once again, feel free to point out who I missed and how insane I must be by ranking everyone where I did. What was I thinking!

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10. Jeff O'Neill

The Hartford Whalers used their first-round pick in 1994 on a young sniper named Jeff O'Neill. The Whalers knew what they were getting - a guy who scored 120 goals and 209 assists (329 points) in only 188 games with the OHL's Guelph Storm. O'Neill, who grew up admiring Ron Francis, played his rookie season in Hartford then moved with the team to Raleigh, NC. He helped guide an overachieving team into the Stanley Cup Finals in 2002 and was one of the club's leading scorers during their playoff push. He was also selected to the 2002-03 All-Star team, representing the Hurricanes. He would stay with the team until the end of the 2004 season, amassing close to 200 goals. In 2005 (before the CBA was ratified) he was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs. O'Neill publicly said that he wanted to play in Toronto, the closest team to his family, after the passing of his brother. O'Neill was last seen in the hockey world with the Hurricanes. He attended training camp on a tryout in 2008, but did not make the cut and was released from the team.

9. Ulf Samuelsson

The Whalers selected Samuelsson in the fourth round with the 67th overall pick in 1982. Samuelsson was one of the heaviest hitters in the league during his 16-year career. However, he was also known as one of the dirtiest players. He is the player best associated with ending Boston Bruins great Cam Neely's career so early with a knee-on-knee collision. Over his career, Samuelsson played over 1,000 games for five different teams. He registered 57 goals and 276 assists, but was never known for an offensive touch. He put fear into opponent's eyes whenever his blades touched the ice. After retiring in 2000, Samuelsson has kept busy coaching squirt  and school teams. He was the assistant coach for the AHL's Hartford Wolf Pack as well as the NHL's Phoenix Coyotes. He recently signed on to coach Swedish powerhouse Modo. His son Philip was drafted 61st overall by the Penguins in 2009 as well.

8. Geoff Sanderson

Sanderson was a natural-born leader and goal scorer. The Whalers selected the 18-year old from the Swift Current Broncos of the WHL at 36th overall. Sanderson was called up from the AHL during the 1990-91 season and never looked back. He played only two games in 1991 but managed to score his first NHL goal during that span. In his next seven seasons with the Whalers/Hurricanes he cracked the 30-goal mark four times and the 40-goal plateau twice. He was also elected to the NHL All-Star game twice (1994 and 1997) during his time with the organization. This is where his journey gets strange.

During the 1997-98 season Sanderson was traded to the Vancouver Canucks, then sent to the Buffalo Sabres. After two years in Buffalo, Sanderson was claimed in the Expansion Draft by the Columbus Blue Jackets, where he would crank out two more 30-goal seasons. After another trade sent him back to Vancouver, he was picked up by Columbus again off waives in the offseason (I think that was a condition in the original trade). After a whopping two games in Columbus, he was again traded, this time to the Phoenix Coyotes (where he scored 25 goals) in 2005. Sanderson turned in two more quiet seasons with the Flyers and Oilers respectively, ending an illustrious and well-traveled career.

7. Robert (Bobby) Holik

The Whalers took Robert Holik with the tenth overall pick in the first round of the 1989 Entry Draft. He produced eerily similar statistics during his first two seasons in the NHL, both with Hartford (numbers differed by only two assists) He really gained fame, however, after he was traded to the New Jersey Devils following the 1991-92 season. He played in Jersey for the next 10 years, winning two Stanley Cups and playing in as many All-Star games. He scored 198 of his 326 goals as a Devil, before he signed on to play for cross-state rival the New York Rangers. After two mildly productive seasons in the Big Apple and three more in Atlanta. Holik returned to the Devils, signing a one-year contract. He only produced four more goals with the club and retired after the conclusion of the 2009 Playoffs.

6. Jean-Sebastian Giguere


Jean-Sebastien Giguere

#35 / Goalie / Colorado Avalanche

6-1

202

May 16, 1977


 

Normally I would not rate a goaltender with a lifetime record that hovers only slightly safely over .500 this high on such a prestigious list, but I chose to ignore the statistics with this guy. Drafted 13th overall by the Whalers in 1995, Guguere was looked at as a future franchise goalie. However, things very rarely ever work out the way they are planned. Giguere was traded to the Calgary Flames (with Andrew Cassels for Gary Roberts and Trevor Kidd) after playing in only eight games with the franchise. In 2000-01 Giguere, while playing for the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, served as a backup to Guy Hebert throughout his rookie season. After that Giguere started to become a household name in California, posting good numbers in each of his first two full seasons with the club. Then came his time to shine. 

In the 2003 Stanley Cup Playoffs, Giguere helped lead the seventh-seeded Mighty Ducks past the second-seeded powerhouse Detroit Red Wings in a sweep, shocking most of the hockey world. The Ducks then dispatched of the Dallas Stars in six games and shut down the upstart Minnesota Wild 4-0 (a series in which the Wild scored only one goal on Giguere in four games). While the Ducks would eventually lose to the Devils in the Cup Finals, Giguere's performance will go down as one of the best postseason pushes in hockey history. He won the Conn Smythe Trophy as a member of the losing team for only the fifth time (only the second goalie to ever do it) marking just how incredibly the goalie played. Giguere would have to wait until 2007 to hoist the Cup himself as he guided his Ducks to the championship round once again, this time delivering in five games.

Giguere went on to play in Toronto for two seasons, posting average numbers in sparse action. He recently signed a two-year deal with the Colorado Avalanche, where he will have to compete against newly-aquired Semyon Varlomov for the starting role.

5. Cam Ward


Cam Ward

#30 / Goalie / Carolina Hurricanes

6-1

200

Feb 29, 1984


 

Speaking of Conn Smythe winning goaltenders.... The Whalers/Hurricanes franchise has the distinction of being one of only two teams to ever draft multiple Playoff MVP-winning goaltenders (the other being the Boston Bruins - Ken Dryden and Bill Ranford). Ward, 27, was drafted  25th overall by the Carolina Hurricanes in the 2002 Draft. The Canes were fresh off of a run to the Stanley Cup Finals and Ward represented a prospective goalie of the future. Ward began his career with the Hurricanes after a successful season with the Lowell Lock Monsters of the AHL, one in which Ward helped push the Monsters into the second round of the playoffs. Since joining the Canes, Ward has put up unbelievably impressive numbers and performed in the tensest moments. He became the first starting goaltender to win a Stanley Cup championship in his rookie season since Patrick Roy and, of course, took home MVP honors. Since his championship run, Ward (161-118-31) has put up numbers comparable to any goaltender in the NHL. He was put up at least 30 wins in every season except his rookie year (in which he was a backup to Martin Gerber) and his injury-shortened 2009-10 season (18 wins). Cam has also posted 16 shutouts since 2006 - impressive considering the Hurricanes have only managed 17 (Manny Legace - another Whaler draft pick - got the other one).

Ward is still in the prime of his career and gives his team a great chance to win every game, every night, every shift. That's all one could really ask out of a goaltender. He appeared in his first All-Star game this past year, playing on Team Staal (the first pick in the All-Star draft nonetheless) in front of his home crowd. He continues to improve every year; slimming down and buffing up in the offseason seems to be an annual ritual of his. The Hurricanes locked up this cornerstone of the franchise as he is under contract with the team until 2016.

4. Ray Ferraro

Imagine for a second you are the GM of the Hartford Whalers. There you are in the fifth round of the Entry Draft, you have pick number 88 and it's your turn to choose a player. You look down the list of possible candidates and you see something. It must be a typo... A player scored 65 goals, 135 points in 48 games in the British Columbia Junior Hockey League and he's not taken yet? That's where the franchise was in 1982, and that player was Ray Ferraro. Many teams passed on the junior player because he was, well, junior. Ferraro is generously listed as 5'10" now (not sure what he was in 1982) but the Whalers were willing to take a chance. Ferraro would go on to play in the WHL, registering a 108 goal, 192 point year for the Brandon Wheat Kings in 1983-84. He quickly showed that scoring touch in the NHL as well. Ferraro scored 157 goals for the Whalers in just over six seasons. One year included a 41-goal effort, proving Ferraro to be a legitimate scoring threat despite his small size. 

Continuing their string of bad management, the Whalers traded Ferraro away in 1990 to the New York Islanders for defenseman Doug Crossman. Crossman only played one season in Hartford, but Ferraro continued to shine. Another 40-goal season with the Islanders almost helped propel them to a trip to the Stanley Cup Finals, but they were halted by the Montreal Canadiens in the Wales Conference Finals. After his hay-day with the Isles, Ferraro became a bit of a journeyman. He bounced from the Rangers to the Kings to the Thrashers before finally retiring as a St. Louis Blue. Ferraro pocketed over 400 goals during his 1,258 game career and came within two points of reaching 900. He also posted 21 goals and 43 points in 68 playoff games with the Whalers, Islanders and Kings. After retiring, Ferraro went in to broadcasting and he can currently be seen on TSN and heard on Team 1040 Radio in Canada. 

3. Eric Staal


Eric Staal

#12 / Center / Carolina Hurricanes

6-4

205

Oct 29, 1984


 

If there was ever a year to have a bad season it was 2002-03. The 2003 Draft Class was considered second to none by many hockey experts and they turned out to be correct. The Florida Panthers held the first overall pick but traded it away to the Pittsburgh Penguins for the third pick among others. The Penguins selected goaltender Marc-Andre Fleury first overall which left the Canes to decide between Nathan Horton and Eric Staal. They went with Staal. Good choice. Since the time he was drafted, Staal has done nothing but prove to the Hurricanes that he is a star. He has a big, physical body that can push opponents around and soft, quick hands that can score from any angle on the ice. Staal has a wicked wrist shot and a powerful slapper - a dangerous combination.

Staal made the Hurricanes during his draft year - something relatively rare in those days. He had an unbelievable training camp and preseason, leading the league in goals with seven. The Canes plugged him in and despite looking every bit like the awkward teenager he was, he still put up 11 goals and 20 assists - not terrible for a rookie. After a season of refining and working i the AHL during the labor stoppage, Staal came back with a vengeance. He scored 100 points in his sophomore season and has collected no less than 70 in each of the following five years. Staal has amassed 226 goals, 278 assists and 504 points, all while playing against the league's top defensives every night. Staal has also chipped in 43 points in 43 playoff games for the Canes. He was recently honored by the team by being named it's captain, a privilege that only four other people have known since relocation.

Staal looks like a man playing among boys at times and just might overtake most of the Hurricanes records when all is said and done. He has been elected to the All-Star Game every year he has been in the league (representing the YoungStars during his rookie year) and has notched at least a goal in every game. He also took home All-Star MVP honors in 2008 in Atlanta. He was named to Canada's most recent gold-medal-winning Olympic squad after serving as an alternate in 2006. The awards and accolades just keep pouring in for the Carolina captain and the Canes are hoping to see much more out of him as they locked him up until 2016.

2. Chris Pronger


Chris Pronger

#20 / Defenseman / Philadelphia Flyers

6-6

220

Oct 10, 1974


 

The Hartford Whalers hit a home run with the selection of defenseman Chris Pronger with the second overall pick in the 1993 Entry Draft. Only Alexander Daigle (who was thought to be the next Gretzky) was selected ahead of him. Since coming into the league in 1993-94, Pronger has been one of the most consistent, steady defensemen in the league. He was even named to the NHL All-Rookie team after an impressive first season. His career with the Whalers was short-lived, lasting only two full seasons. Pronger had off-ice issues that Whalers management couldn't see past. He was arrested for drunk driving, involved in bar fights and thought to be a little too spoiled by the fanbase. Pronger was traded to the St. Louis Blues in July of 2005 for forward Brendan Shanahan. Pronger would go on to earn the captaincy of the Blues in 1997. 

Pronger has racked up awards and honors left and right in the NHL. He's been selected to six All-Star Games (only playing in three due to injury), has two Olympic gold medals with Team Canada and has been named to the NHL First or Second All-Star team (named at the end of the season) four times. Pronger's best season would have to be his 1999-2000 campaign. Pronger had hammered in 14 goals and added 48 assists (62 points), but more importantly earned an astounding +52 rating. That season earned him not only the Norris Trophy as league's best defenseman, but also the Hart Trophy as the NHL's most valuable player. This was the first time that a defenseman had won the award since Bobby Orr in 1972, some good company to be in.

After nine seasons in St. Louis and an impending labor lockout, the Blues dealt him to the Edmonton Oilers. Pronger never seemed to be thrilled to play with the Oilers, yet still managed to help lead his new team to the Stanley Cup Finals in 2006, squaring off against the same franchise that had drafted him 13 years earlier. He scored a team-high 21 points, even converting on the only successful penalty shot in Cup Finals history, scoring against Cam Ward in Game 1. While his Oilers would lose in seven games to the Hurricanes, he would get his Stanley Cup the next season. After requesting a trade out of Edmonton, Pronger was dealt to the Anaheim Ducks, who beat the Senators in five games to win Lord Stanley. 

Pronger has totaled 156 goals and 686 points in 1,154 games through a combination of stability and hard work. He currently serves as an alternate captain (some think he should be captain due to recent trades) of the Philadelphia Flyers. He will be a Flyer for a long time too as his current deal pins him there until 2017 with the NMC (No Movement Clause).

1. Ron Francis

Ron Francis was selected fourth overall in the 1981 Draft after a productive year with the OHL's Sault Saint Marie Greyhounds. Francis was viewed as a good player who could contribute quickly, but people had no clue of the talent he would show. After joining the Whalers during the 1981-82 season, Francis began to make his assault on the record books. During his ten seasons in Hartford, Francis produced at least 20 goals and no less than 43 assists. Even in shortened seasons due to injury, he still managed to be a 20-goal guy. He also hit the 30-goal mark twice as a Whaler including his 1989-90 season in which he first eclipsed 100 points. Francis was a fan favorite and served as captain for most of his Whaler career. However, questionable management again reared its head, as he was traded to the Pittsburgh Penguins in 1991. The franchise had lost it's face. 

Francis excelled in Pittsburgh, playing with Hall of Famers like Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr and Tom Barrasso. Francis made it known to Penguins fans what he had cemented in Hartford already, he was ready to be a big-time factor in the team's success. He spent seven years with the Penguins, captaining the team twice in the absence of Lemieux. He won two Stanley Cups in the early 90's and provided the Cup-winning goal in his later victory. He also became the first Penguin to win a Selke Trophy. After the 1997-98 season, in which he posted 87 points, he returned back to the organization that drafted him, signing on with the Carolina Hurricanes. 

The Canes didn't want Francis just to have a sentimental reunion with a player they missed though. They knew he was one of the best centers in the league and could maybe help the new franchise win. Francis served as an alternate captain until the holdout and subsequent trade of Keith Primeau, when he was named the team's third captain. After six seasons and the Hurricanes in the pits of the NHL's standings in 2003, Francis was dealt to the Toronto Maple Leafs at the Trade Deadline. While there will always be a bitter taste in fans' mouths that his last NHL game was with the Maple Leafs, they know that Ron Francis will always be considered a Cane. His number is retired by both the Whalers and the Hurricanes.

Francis was never one to showboat or brag about statistics/awards but he certainly could if he ever wanted to. He has been named to four All-Star Games ranging from 1983 to 1996. In addition to his two Stanley Cups and Selke Trophy, he has also been awarded the Lady Byng Trophy three times (1995,1998, 2002) and the King Clancy Memorial Trophy once in 2002. His numbers will always speak for themselves as he sits in a distant second place in NHL history when it comes to assists. His 1,249 assists trails only Wayne Gretzky (1,963) and leads the third place Mark Messier by 56. His 1,798 points sits him at fourth place all time. He has played more games than everyone except two people in history. Francis' numbers put him in such an elite category, but it was his consistency that made him a star. He tied Gordie Howe for the most consecutive 50-point seasons with 22, coming 10 points shy of breaking the mark in his final year.

So there you have it. Like I stated before, feel free to correct my choices and please throw some more names in the pot as there were some I felt bad about leaving off.

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Please add Jeff Skinner to the list, thank you

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Aug 23, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Skinner

Give him a couple more years lol

Hope he can replicate last season (maybe even improve on them)!!

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by Lee Phillips on Aug 23, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Although he’s only played one year, he won the Calder trophy – the only one in franchise history! Easily in the top 10 for that reason alone. That will always be considered one of JR’s best picks, regardless of what happens from here on out.

by Sin Bin on Aug 23, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got to agree with Lee here. We need to give Skinner a couple more season before we put him on here. Shane Willis had a great rookie year, was even in the Calder talk, but no one would ever put him in the top ten because he couldn’t replicate that. I say we let Skinner earn the accolades. Who knows, with a little pushing he may even exceed some of the lofty expectations fans have of him.

Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.

by C-Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chicken Parm – little ball of hate. nice.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 23, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Kinda hard to have Pronger ahead of Staal considering his record with THIS franchise.

Still, good list.

by Iggy Reilly on Aug 23, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I tried to put biases aside. Not a huge Pronger fan personally but that doesn’t mean he’s not a great player.

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by Lee Phillips on Aug 23, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i too was thinking about

Pronger ahead of Staal,but hey !! It’s all good and thanks Lee…great job…hell no wonder it takes a week to get all of this together…Aint the internet a wonderful thing ??

What did you do during the summer when the playoffs are over ?
Go Canes & Checkers !!

by CaniacSteve on Aug 23, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

A week..

A week almost hinders me in making these lists – too much time to debate the picks!!

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by Lee Phillips on Aug 23, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Late round picks

How about Craig Adams (9th round) and Kapanen (4th round). No superstars but very good value for late picks.
I see Sanderson in the top 5 and Cam Ward in the top 3 (ahead of Staal)

by MoeTilden on Aug 23, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

A Couple of Quick Things

I will give more detailed responses later but here are two quick points.

>>>Chicken Parm – little ball of hate. nice.<<<
Pat Verbeek was the little ball of hate. Chicken Parm was just chicken (more in a future post).

Mr. Phillips: Have you heard of Kevin Dineen? Just wondering.

by VinceCT on Aug 23, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Per Wiki:
The Little Ball of Hate", was given to him in 1995 by Glenn Healy after fellow New York Rangers teammate Ray Ferraro was tagged as the “Big Ball of Hate”.

So both had it.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 23, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

By your own statement both didn’t have it so don’t say “both had it”. Besides it is kind of laughable that Ferraro can be tagged as anything that assumes he played with “hate”. He was more of a twerp. More on that later.

by VinceCT on Aug 24, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

what? Ray Ferraro was initially given the nickname, Verbeek was also given the nickname and yes I remember watching both of them.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 24, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. Vince

I have heard of Kevin Dineen. A very good pick by the Whalers who helped the team transition from Hartford to North Carolina (scored the last Whaler goal and the first Canes goal symbolically). The list is no slight to him as he was in a pool of about two or three players that it was tough to leave off.

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by Lee Phillips on Aug 23, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

After today we now have the name for the next professional franchise in North Carolina; the Carolina Rumble. Those tremors were my first realized experience with an earthquake; interesting day!

Here's the SKINNy, the All-STAAL game was CAMtastic!

by PackPride17 on Aug 23, 2011 5:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

hmm only one i would add would be Glen Wesley, i cant recall his numbers, but for what he did and still does for us, id be happy to add his name to this list

by lrcaniac on Aug 23, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Wesley was drafted by the Bruins. That is why he is not on this list.

by VinceCT on Aug 24, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Putting together any kind of list is a thankless job! Not gonna correct anything. Just saying I enjoyed the list. (even if it had PRONGER on it. shiver!) Really enjoyed walking down Ron Francis memory lane.

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by Esbee on Aug 24, 2011 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Now For The Long Answer

Since I promised a more detailed response here it is.

As stated before Kevin Dineen should be on this list. He had a better career than Jeff O’Neill and can be argued a better one than Geoff Sanderson.

I don’t remember Sanderson being a leader of any sort. Not that it is a negative necessarily he certainly was not a cancer on the ice. I think the “born leader” is a little overblown.

Ray Ferraro (ugh!) was not really much. He was able to accumulate the numbers he did only because of the expansion era he played in. He was not what I would call a first-tier player in spite of the odd 40-goal season. I didn’t care about him when he was traded away. At that time he was in a slump that covered parts of two seasons spanning over 40 games including playoffs where he scored only three goals. This was highlighted by his complete choke job in the 1990 playoffs versus Boston (seven games zero goals). In other word he wasn’t doing much. It was time for him to go. Naturally what happens? He does his Mike Bossy impersonation for the Isles in the 1993 playoffs. Punk! Now I just mute the sound whenever I hear him on any highlight reel. I really can’t stand him.

As for Chris Pronger after his first year he was most certainly not “a little too spoiled by the fanbase”. Fans were getting on his case in his second year. No I am not kidding. When he came back with the Blues that first time he was booed every time he touched the puck. Ridiculous. I for one was not going to get on someone who played here about a year and a half (remember 1995 was a short year) and was traded when he was 20 years old. I get on him because he acts like a jerk not for his time in Hartford. He was asked to do too much too soon. It is too bad the fans here could not understand it.

I will conclude by combining Francis and Samuelsson along with Ferraro and even Dineen in the same group. The is this notion that had these players not been traded that the Whalers fortunes would have been different. I say “why couldn’t these guys win when they were here in the first place?” You would think we had the Edmonton Oilers. Instead we had a bunch of chronic underachievers who found their strides with other teams.

“Ulfie” really became “Ulfie” with the Penguins (why couldn’t he have broken Cam Neely’s leg for us?). I also think his a big phony. He seemed to become everybody’s friend after he was traded. Look I’m with Gretzky! Look I’m with Messier! Puh-lease!

Francis is a different case. He was the team captain but was somewhat inadequate at the job, at least here. After all if he and all the others were so great how come the Whalers never won anything? One fluke playoff series and one even flukier division title. That’s it. It was all fourth place finishes and first round loses. Francis was a bad in the playoffs as people say LeBron James was this past season. In Francis’s case there was almost always a strange drop off in his production from regular season to playoffs. He had almost as many playoff PIMs as playoff points in Hartford (20/22 in 33 games). No I am not saying he should not be on this list or even number one. I just want a little more perspective in the accompanying descriptions for him and the other players.

To summarize if some of these guys played up their full capabilities perhaps the Carolina Hurricanes would not exist because the Hartford Whalers would still be around.

I said this was a long answer.

by VinceCT on Aug 24, 2011 4:26 AM EDT reply actions  

For this list I tried to look at the individual more than the team. You make some good points about some of the guys and the lack of success for the Whalers, however, it would be unfair to punish a player just because he was on a bad team (or a team that didn’t achieve much success).

I made sure to mention players success on other teams because many of these players didn’t compose their greatest numbers with the Hurricanes/Whalers. That was not the intention of the list; the intention was to focus on players only tied to the franchise by at least a draft pick who went on to have great careers in the NHL. Their success on solely the Whalers or Canes was not a factor in their rankings.

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by Lee Phillips on Aug 24, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

Is Vince trying to say this franchise has a poor history of developing prospects? A poor history of being able to get players up to the potential they were drafted for??

We might have covered this in a different post…

…but the questions remain—are we better than we were at that? Probably. Are we where we should be? Probably not.

by Squeaky83 on Aug 24, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was only attempting to clear some misstatements in the original post. I understand the entries were based on their entire careers I was not questioning that. Yeah I was also venting about my frustrations regarding some of these players.

by VinceCT on Aug 24, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ray Ferraro (ugh!) was not really much. He was able to accumulate the numbers he did only because of the expansion era he played in

Really? 900 points over 18 seasons, 192 points for the Wheaties 83-84, + about PIM/game. He could play, he put points wherever he played and pissed off a lot of people in process including yourself.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 24, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pee-Wee Ferraro, his actual nickname, was never a difference maker except for that one playoff season in 1993 for the Islanders. He was with Hartford for parts of six season. He had a couple of good years but overall not very much capped off by his choke job vs. Boston in the playoffs that I mentioned previously. His major accomplishment was becoming a media darling. It would have been nice if he did something real BEFORE he was traded. It seems that I have a higher standard than you do.

by VinceCT on Aug 25, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the Boston team he choked against wasn’t too bad. I guess I’ve never thought of him as a 1st line player more of the secondary scoring type of player, which he was very effective as.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 25, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

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