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Canes Country's Guide to 2011 Carolina Hurricanes Training Camp

You may need some help telling these guys apart. Photo from the 2010 Training Camp via Jamie Kellner

Yesterday evening, we saw the list of those 56 hockey players who will line up at the RBC Center tomorrow morning for the first official day of the 2011-12 NHL season. Many of them expect to play for the Hurricanes this year. Others are on the bubble and/or may spend most of the season in Charlotte. Several will be back in Juniors by next week. There are likely a few who have every intention of surprising management and the coaches to earn a spot starting in Raleigh October 7th. Let's call that the "Skinner Effect."

This is the largest number of players invited to Camp in the last three years. Last year there were 45 invites and just two groups. In 2009 - the year following the run to the Conference Finals, only 41 received invitations. In 2008 we saw 57 competing for a spot. That was when Peter Laviolette was coach and also the last time the Canes held a Red vs White scimmage. 

This year the Hurricanes will play two intra-squad scrimmages plus two exhibition games in just the first seven days of camp. After that game next Friday, Sept 23, vs Nashville, it looks like there will be some cuts and the groups reduced from three to two, with likely about 18 - 19 players each, meaning around 20 young men will head out.

We here at Canes Country anticipate that you will need some sort of a cheat sheet to help to keep track of all these names, many of whom are new to the organization. And this guide would be especially useful when you're watching the action live along the boards of the arena Sunday at the 9:30 practice or the noon Red vs White scrimmage. And again, for the second such scrimmage next Wednesday, Sept 21, at noon.

After the jump, Canes Country has just what you're looking for.

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Click on the red text to open a downloadable 7-page pdf of  Canes Country's Guide to 2011 Training Camp, which has been separated into the three groups (Teams Black, White and Red) with photos, stats and notes about who all these players are, what's they've done and, perhaps most importantly, what the expectations are going forward.

On the 7th page is the schedule divided into three segments over the next three weeks. One caveat: expect the groups to be fluid, and I'll do my best to keep current when we hear of players being moved around. The link to the Guide above will take you to the latest revision and be updated until the first cuts next weekend, following the Nashville game. Then I'll set up a new Guide with a new link.

In his post this morning, Carolina Hurricanes Training Camp Preview: Part One - Forwards, Bob took an in-depth look at the the battles for roster spots among the forwards. Building on that, here's my best guess on how the lines are likely to set up (and repeating: this will be tweaked early and often - but for a first glance, it tells you what Paul Maurice and his staff might be thinking).

Team Black (10)

Jeff Skinner - Tuomo Ruutu - Anthony Stewart

Chris Terry - Riley Nash - Matthew Pistilli

Gregory Hofmann - Brody Sutter - Mattias Lindstrom/Justin Shugg

 

Team Red (11) - I had a hard time guessing who would be the bottom 5 here. Suggestions welcome, particularly with Victor Rask's plans for the 11-12 season being an unknown and depending totally on his perfomance this week.

Zac Dalpe - Brandon Sutter - Chad LaRose

Jiri Tlusty - Jon Matsumoto - Nicolas Blanchard

Cedric McNicoll - Brett Sutter - Jared Staal

[open]   - Victor Rask - Justin Soryal

 

Team White (10)

Zach Boychuk/Jussi Jokinen - Eric Staal - Alexei Ponikarovsky

Drayson Bowman - Tim Brent - Patrick Dwyer

Mike McKenzie - Jerome Samson - Chris Durno

 

For the Defense, Bob will be looking at the expectations and camp battles ahead tomorrow. Here's how the pairings might look when they take the ice Saturday.

Team Black (7)  (with seven,  Allen is conspicuously the only lock for the NHL roster on Team Black.)

Bryan Allen / Mathieu Roy - Bobby Sanguinetti

Rasmus Rissanen - Justin Faulk

Austin Levi - Ryan Murphy

 

Team Red (6)

Tomas Kaberle - Jay Harrison

Derek Joslin - Jamie McBain

Kyle Lawson - Chris Murray

 

Team White (6)

Joni Pitkanen - Tim Gleason

Brett Bellemore - Michal Jordan

Justin Krueger - Keegan Lowe

 


Random observations and trivia

 

Murphy and Skinner reunited 

Remember right after he was drafted at #12 overall in June,  Ryan Murphy  talked about how "it would be pretty weird to be on the ice with Jeff Skinner once again but I'm looking forward to it" ?  Looks like he won't have to wait long - they're together on Team Black and practice Saturday at 12:30pm.

 

Global influences

For all the celebrations of Suomi power we've had in Raleigh the last 12 months or so, there are some other European countries that are contributing their talents to the Canes franchise. Here's the break down by nationality.

Ukraine, Switzerland and Germany - 1 each

Sweden - 2

Czech Republic - 3

Finland - 4

That's a total of 12 who are European born. The other 44 are North American:

US born  - 14

Canadians - 30

 

[For you sticklers for detail, I didn't count Brandon Sutter as US born, though I did Keegan Lowe.]

 

College boys

With all the recent discussion of whether young prospects should choose US Colleges vs Canadian Major Juniors, this year's camp has11 players who came through the NCAA en route to Raleigh this week. 

Zac Dalpe, Chris Durno, Patrick Dwyer, Justin Faulk, Justin Krueger, Kyle Lawson, Jon Matsumoto, Jamie McBain, Mike McKenzie, John Muse, and Riley Nash. Plus Rod Brind`Amour if you want to include the coaching staff.

 

Once a Whaler...

Finally, because it's become a predictable story line every year at every draft, just how many of these kids played with the Hurricanes' owner Peter Karmanos' OHL team near Detroit, the Plymouth Whalers?

I counted these 6 - make that 7 : Forwards Chad LaRose, Chris Terry; Defensemen Brett Bellemore, Michal Jordan, Austin Levi;and Goalies Matt Mahalak and late add Justin Peters, who played most of his Junior hockey with the St Michael's Majors and one final year with Plymouth, after the Canes had drafted him.

 

Is it October yet?

Again, here's the link to the Canes Country's Guide to 2011 Training Camp,  and remember to check back for changes as they happen. See you Sunday!

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Thanks Carolyn!

Beautiful document, great info – everything I need for the weekend – can’t wait!! GO CANES!!

by caniacmum on Sep 15, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

As is the case with every NHL fan, everyone’s optimistic about the upcoming season. Maybe it’s me, but I can’t help but be a little worried about being 3rd from the bottom in terms of payroll.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 15, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I hadn’t been to Capgeek for a while. And they still need to add John Tavares’ extension which should be announced today. But one thing I did notice is that the 29th and 30th placed teams cover 24 NHL players, while Carolina’s number is for only 22.

Not going to make a big difference if you set every roster at 22 to even it out, but thought I’d at least highlight that irregularity. The other teams will need to cut to 23 and may even go as low as 20 if they can stay above the floor.

The bottom 6 teams are very close, separated by less than $2million total, or about 2 entry level contracts.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 15, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

it just kind of stood out at a glance, before going there, I thought we were closer to 20 than 30. It may not matter, but as an early predictor it should have some weight.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt, and glad you brough it up. Canes could end up ranked btwn 20-25 when all is said and done when the season starts. I’m wondering too what Buffalo’s gonna do. They’re over $6mil over the Cap.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 16, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

they’re going to dump Kotalik and Morrisonn, hopefully via trade, which won’t be easy in Kotalik’s case/Morrisonn won’t be as difficult.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 16, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve got Skinner and Dalpe on an entry level, that’s two of the top 9 forwards. McBain is still on his entry level. If Bowman or Boychuk make it still on their EL deal that would be 4 players on the EL deal. If those guys are paid market rates vs. the set EL rates then the payroll is probably above St. Louis which is #20 or so. Maybe there are similar issues on every team, don’t really know or care to look at in more depth, but I think the #29 in payroll has some issue to do with entry level deals and not exactly talent level.

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by C-Leaguer on Sep 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes I realize that, but on a team like Washington, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Boston, Buffalo they’re not filling those roster spots with players on EL deals for the most part – Dalpe, Bowman, Boychuk, McBain wouldn’t get a sniff of the roster in Boston, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, or Buffalo, that’s what’s a little concerning.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 16, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know about the others...

But Pitt will always give good young talent a shot. Not only that, since they have so much money tied up in three centers, if they had youngsters with the promise of Dalpe and Boychuck, they’d sure as heck have a chance of making the team and filling roster spots. Pitt is not deep in good wingers. Looking at Pitt’s back end they gave entry level defenders their chances to make the team as well, whicvh worked well for them.

Boston has a few holes in their forwards as well with Recchi gone and one loss to concussion… They already have one entry level forward/ 2nd year guy, and they gave him a shot last year. They’d be more than happy to let others fight for a spot.

So it’s not quite the issue you make it out to be. With a Salary cap, every team has holes, and every team would give talent a shot—both for the potential to make them better, and the potential to free up salary for someone else…

by Squeaky83 on Sep 16, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they had youngsters with the promise of

they do:
Pitt:
Beau Bennett (same junior team as Dalpe diff year)
Simon Depres
Boston:
R.Spooner
J. Caron
J. Knight
Van:
J.Schroeder
C. Hodgson
etc.
These teams don’t have a lot of holes, they know what they have in their players, we don’t.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 16, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am just excited that it has finally arrived, however, this venture into new territory of additional players at camp makes it even more exciting. Just think we are only four days away from the first preseason game. Wow!

by hotchipsnsalsa on Sep 15, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s a preliminary schedule out for NHLNetwork’s coverage of preseason games and the Canes game in Winnipeg on Sept 28th is looking like a possibility to be shown on TV.

That’s the 4th game of the preseason, and may include more of the youngsters so the big stars don’t have to make the trip. (Just guessing on that last)

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 15, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Will the Charlotte coaching staff be on hand, or just the big club’s crew?

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 15, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Good question: In the past, Daniels and Kinnear watched from the seats.

I am wondering who will coach the other bench in the scrimmage though. Maurice vs Daniels, or Brind`Amour or Dave Lewis? Daniels would be most likely, IMHO.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 15, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something new: Eric Staal will be interviewed on 99.9 at 3:15pm. Stream here.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 15, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

What is most interesting to me is Team Black D. As you said, only lock is Allen but all of Faulk, Murphy, and Sanguinetti are present.

I think Faulk or Murphy could very well make the team with one of Allen/Harrison being traded early. Running 11 forwards and 7 D would also be an option, having Faulk or Murphy as a PP specialist with growing minutes as the season goes.

by JussiJuice on Sep 15, 2011 3:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I thought Kaberle with Harrison was really interesting too. Kinda reminds me of the post I saw the other day about how excited Ian White is to be paired with Nick Lidstrom in Detroit this coming season.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 15, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And maybe I’m wrong and they’d move McBain up w/Kaberle but that would be 2 puckmovers, neither of whom are stay-at-home types like Harrison, or Joslin, which is why I put it up that way.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 15, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do like McBain/Joslin as the 3rd pairing though… Youth, grit, and offensive upside that could be effective against other teams lesser lines.

by JussiJuice on Sep 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

JJ,

You really think they would trade Allen, so Faulk or Murphy could stay up in the NHL? That would make the defense more offensively capable, but defensively that would be a big blow. I’m not a huge Allen fan, but if we trade him; we need another defensive defenseman to take his place. I wouldn’t mind seeing Harrison traded, but at the same time; a would rather Faulk or Murphy not be healthy scratched every other night. IMO, Harrison is probably a good 7th or 8th defenseman; someone that could play 3rd pairing against a little more physical teams.

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by PackPride17 on Sep 16, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on the return, sure.

Allen is a solid enough player, but he’s basically a #4 D for us at best. If it could net us something solid, young, and inexpensive, I’m sure we’d jump. This assumes Faulk/Murphy have a good camp.

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by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I’m not a huge Allen fan, but he plays a different style of game than Faulk & Murphy. We are already lite on the defensive side, I wouldn’t want to replace the big Allen with another offsensive defenseman.

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by PackPride17 on Sep 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that I disagree with that theory.

It’s the difference between video games and real life. A “75” rated defenseman might help your particular team more than a guy at “78.” But I think Allen is probably viewed as expendable (look at the minimal cost we spent to acquire him), and in that we’re not looking to have our championship window open as soon as this year, if we can trade him for assets that will help down the road, I be tehy’d bite.

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by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Harrison but not Allen. We need his physical presence in front of the crease. My gut says Allen will be a valuable member of this team this season.

by Hockeydog on Sep 16, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like Murphy has the game to play some limited minutes at forward.

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by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guide is top shelf – none better!

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by Jamie Kellner on Sep 15, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

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by Gramm Matthew Esq. on Sep 16, 2011 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I would really like to see Staal & Dalpe together for some time this preseason. See if they have any chemistry or just how they would work together. I think they could be a very good scoring duo and we could experiment with them in the preseason.

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by PackPride17 on Sep 16, 2011 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll echo that sentiment. I’ve felt for awhile that Dalpe is Erik Cole’s replacement. Whether that’s the case sooner versus later remains to be seen.

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by Jamie Kellner on Sep 16, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the better pairing is Staal with Boychuk. Boychuk is a Whitney replacement. Stewart or Poni is a Cole replacement. Personally, I think Dalpe true value lies in his ability to be a second line center with Skinner on his wing.

Where’s Doug to give in depth analysis of those pairs?

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by C-Leaguer on Sep 16, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

put dalpe with sutter, that’d be a good line

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 16, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You like Dalpe on the wing? See, I like him at center and I think second line center is a place the team can upgrade. No offense to Ruutu intended there. Love his game, but prefer what he can do at wing, especially on the forecheck. It’s hard to get deep on the forecheck as a center.

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by C-Leaguer on Sep 16, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just have this vision of sutter, dalpe, and dwyer gelling together. staal, poni, stewart, then ruutu, skinner and jokinen, and brent, larose boychuck. any way you cut it, i’m excited to see the scrimmage sunday and then the buffalo game

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 16, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are interesting lines. Nothing what I would have thought of. There are so many options going in to camp this year. So many ways to take this team given the roster.

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by C-Leaguer on Sep 16, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think playing w/staal will energize poni, and if he stays healthy they will work off one another. would love to see a banger like stewart stick on that line as well, we’ll see

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 16, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Thinking Dwyer totally out classes Boychuck as a fourth line option. Dwyer and Brent would be an very good PK option with Sutter and Larose as the other. Keeps the true offensive guys fresh.

If Boy can’t cut top nine, he needs Charlotte or traded…

by Squeaky83 on Sep 16, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dalpe would be miserable in the offensive zone with those two on his line.

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Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh...

Why marginalize Dalpe’s scoring ability that way?

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by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to see Staal with another scorer and I’m not sure that Poni is going to regain his Toronto form. I really believe Staal is a better passer than given credit for; you have to remember that Cole was very fast, but didn’t have very good hands. I know there is a lot of hope in Poni & Stewart; I’m just not sold on those 2 yet as 1st line players.

I do agree with you that Dalpe as the 2nd line center or RW would make for a very formidable line. Skinner has a very good all around game, Ruutu could drive the net, and Dalpe could set up to unleash his wrister.

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by PackPride17 on Sep 16, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

And Dalpe would add the missing element of speed to that 2nd line as well.

by Squeaky83 on Sep 16, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps Ponikarovsky won't be a 60-point player...

But the track record of him going for 30, 40, even 50+ is much longer than him going for just 15.

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by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poni’s track record would indicate he is more than what he showed last season, but he hasn’t been good since leaving Toronto. But D. McNabb’s track record would indicate he is a pretty good quarterback and he hasn’t been good since leaving Philly; he only threw for 39 yards last week! I hope Poni regains form, but like I said; I’m not sold on him yet.

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by PackPride17 on Sep 17, 2011 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know how you would substantiate that.

In Pittsburgh, he was fine (46 point pace in his 16 games there), and his track record in LA consists of exactly one injury-plagued year.

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by MichaelProcton on Sep 17, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

In 92 games since leaving Toronto (including playoffs), he has 9 goals and 21 assists. Injury plagued or not, that makes me nervous that we probably have him slated for the 1st line. I hope he does regain form and is a 40+ point player, I’ll wait to see.

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by PackPride17 on Sep 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Chip Alexander reported at a couple different points in the last couple days that Poni came into Camp in remarkably good shape, and the Canes were thrilled, a bit surprised even (in a good way).

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 17, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ponikarovsky

I’ve been following Ponikarovsky’s play for several years in the hopes that the Hurricanes would get him. He’s been battling a series of nagging injuries. From my perspective, the once Burke decided Ponikarovsky needed to be a human missile, like Ruutu for example, it took Ponikarovsky away from his best game. He’s very skilled and possesses the puck well. He also freight trains to the net. He is plenty physical, but he is at his best when he’s crashing the net. My impression is that he is re-energized and realizes Maurice knows how to put him in a position where he can succeed.

by abramsdoug on Sep 17, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Guide

Thank you for this guide, it is top shelf for sure !!

I think Dalpe has a good shot to play on Staal’s line as well. He has the speed to keep up, and while not a Cole in the physicality department he does have some size. We just don’t know how the chemistry works until they have had some ice time together. I have to think they’ll get a chance to play together.
This years camp will be even more interesting than last years. Hockey is back !!!!!!!!!

by Hockeydog on Sep 16, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Dalpe and Staal

Dalpe does have the speed, hands, vision, shot, and tenacity, to work well on Staal’s line. I, too, think that will happen at some point. Dalpe has explosive speed and can keep up with Staal when Staal turns on the afterburners.

by abramsdoug on Sep 16, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Dalpe has a better shot and nose for the net than Cole, maybe not quite as fast but pretty close, but not as physical. But, Staal and Either Pnoi or Stewart can bring enough physical game to make the top line difficult to match up against. If you have Staal and two 20 goal potential scorers on each wing? Nice.

by Squeaky83 on Sep 16, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI, Chip trying to add his two cents:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/09/16/1492174/5-questions-as-the-canes-start.html

He’s just scratching the surface on things, but he has good points.

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 16, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

It is a good article.

It’d make a good FanShot so it got more exposure.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

How the blue line will shake out.

How I see things may not be the opinion of others, and I don’t think the Canes brass is waiting for my thoughts either! But here goes.

We need 3 solid stay at home defensemen. Right now Gleason, Allen, and Joslin would seem the front runners to provide a physical, defense first style of game.
We have 2 offensive minded blueliners that were signed to multi year NHL contracts in Kaberle and Pitkinen.
We have a young offensive minded player in the last year of a two-way contract in McBain.
We have two prospects in Murphy and Faulk that have a huge offensive upside but no NHL experience.
We also have a player in the AHL in Sanguinetti that has seemed on the verge of breaking into the NHL.
IMO we need 3 physical players on the back end. Going with 4 offensive minded players would be a disaster. With Harrison as an extra, that would put Gleason, Allen. and Joslin safely in the lineup. With the money Kaberle and Ptkinen get, they are also safely in the lineup.
IF any one of Murphy, Faulk, or Sanguinetti were to make a serious impression, the only spot they could compete for that would give the back end balance would be McBain’s.
I personally think Faulk and Murphy just need more experience and I don’t expect that they will break into the NHL lineup, but if one of the above 3 I mentioned did win the brass over, McBain’s spot is the only one they could take if the team wants a balanced defense.

by Hockeydog on Sep 16, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

geez, mcbain pushed out due to numbers! would’nt have thunk that a year ago. i would like to see joslin get a shot, am worried about gleason’s health and wondering how hard kaberle will play coming off a cup win. he might be a bust and then trade bait.

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 16, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see it.

He’s just too good and has too much upside long-term for them to screw with him that way.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts, which the org doesn’t give a whit about:

Agre with you, we need Gleason, Allen, Joslin as crease clearing, shot blocking defensmen—one in each pairing. Balance them with Pitkanen and Kaberle. Then, we’d have Harrison as Spare defensive guy. We can use McBain and/or Faulk, both can come up and be sent down during the season—kinda what JR said he would do with the forwards last year. Go with whomever looks better in Camp, but give the guys a rotation up for three to five games during the each third of the season. It benefits us, them and Charlotte…

by Squeaky83 on Sep 16, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrison is insurance if Gleason’s health is still an issue.

by Hockeydog on Sep 16, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

If I were Coach

I’d start with Poni on left and Dalpe on right with Staal. Line would have size, speed and skill. They would create space for each other. Poni can do dirty work in front of net.

Leave the Finns and Skins line alone. It worked well last year.

Stewart with Sutter and whoever cracks the lineup on left.

Larose, Brent and Dwyer on fourth unless someone beats them out in training camp. One forward body in the press box,

The rest either to Charlotte or trade potential.

Big issue for me is the D. I think we will get an indication early if Kaberle is the player he was; if Gleason can get back to form; if Lewis can get more out Joni and the rest. And whether Faulk is ready. Again keep one extra D body in the press box. Murphy likely back to juniors. And maybe a body to package up with an extra forward for a trade to upgrade the D further. I still think it needs it.

by sittler27 on Sep 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

For Cup potential

Yeah, I agree. For playoff potential, I think we can make do—if we do it right. The defensive results post ASG seemed to indicate that at least. Team effort defense (forwards backchecking agressively and defensmen doing their jobs).

by Squeaky83 on Sep 16, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fourth Line

I really like the idea of a fourth line consisting of LaRose/Brent/Dwyer. It isn’t the most huge fourth line in the NHL, but it has speed, tenacity and grit. Do you think the coaches would be willing play LaRose on the fourth line?

by abramsdoug on Sep 16, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a big “IF”. History would say no, but if Mo used his 4th line the way other top tier tteams do, then I think it would be very viable. Give them about 10+ minutes a night for regular shifts plus PK time. Spot them when a guy needs a breather or after PPs etc. All three are responsible guys in both ends of the ice. There is no shame in being a 4th liner IF that line is used properly. Problem the past few years is that Mo has been reluctant to trust and use his 4th line. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe it was because of the talent level of those players. That is no longer an excuse with the guys we noted above.

by sittler27 on Sep 16, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s most likely going to be the same case as usual – 5-8 min per night for the 4th line and a heavy reliance on the 1st line with Staal seeing around 25 min per night especially in close games which of course will be most of them.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 16, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Bowman or Boychuk can make the case for time in the top 9, which is what would be required to move Tlusty to the press box and LaRose to the 4th line, I can see the 4th line being used a lot more. Brent and LaRose are both vets who are solid in both ends and Brent can win face offs. Dwyer isn’t a vet, but he’s solid enough for fourth line duty. That, coupled with that lines ability to skate and draw penalties or take faceoffs in the defensive zone and move them in to the offensive zone could take some time away from a second line with Dalpe and/or a third line with Boychuk. It’s also possible, and I’m not going to say likely, that if Brent can win faceoffs better than Staalsy then the fourth line could get some defensive zone time at the expense of Staal’s line, which isn’t a bad idea IMO.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Sep 16, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's possible if they have that much talent available.

The reluctance to use the 4th line has been because it hasn’t been very good.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 16, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every General Has a Tendency to Fight His Last War

I believe it was Sun Tzu in his “Art of War” who observed that all generals fight their last war. I agree that using history as a guide, Maurice would have to be taken kicking and screaming away from his comfort zone of a nearly invisible fourth line. I prefer your approach. Here’s hoping.

by abramsdoug on Sep 16, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some things never change. I agree with above posts. As JR is known to stockpile 3rd and 4th line talent, there are plenty of choices that any coach should trust with around 10 minutes of well timed shifts per night. The club has figured out getting a viable backup to spell Ward between the pipes, that 4th line spells the top 2 lines, which will pay off nicely starting in oh , about February or so.

by Hockeydog on Sep 16, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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