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Plenty Of Scoring Skill Shown At Offensive Minded Scrimmage

Carolina Hurricanes winger Anthony Stewart takes the ice in the Carolina Hurricanes Red/White Game on Sunday, September 18, 2011.  (photo by Jamie Kellner)

Yesterday's Red and White game was a wide open affair enjoyed by most who attended, except maybe for the goaltenders.  Just a few seconds into the contest, Eric Staal stole the puck away from Tuomo Ruutu and skated in alone to make it 1-0, giving fans just a sampling of what was to come. 

After all was said and done, the final score was 10-7 and the young forwards who were battling each other for jobs, all made cases for themselves. 

Chris Terry, Zac Dalpe, (Drayson Bowman), and Riley Nash each had a pair of goals.  Zach Boychuk, Jiri Tlusty, and Brett Sutter had goals.  Gregory Hofmann raised some eyebrows with some brilliant passing.  All in all, the offense looked very good, but there wasn't much intensity shown by the defense, (which is pretty normal in a scrimmage like this one.)

When Paul Maurice was asked after the game if he was concerned at all about the defense, he just shook his head and smiled. "No, not at all," he said. "There's going to be enough focus on it by time we're finished up here, we'll be much better at it."

The coach went on.  "You know what? You want to know that you're able to put the puck in the net too and you don't want it to be Staal all the time."

The team certainly proved that they could put the puck in the net.

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After the contest, Greg Hofmann and Riley Nash were both praised by the coach, who noted that both had improved their games, Nash, since last year's training camp, and Hofmann since they last saw him at prospect camp. 

When asked if there were any surprises out there, the coach replied, "no." 

"The players we thought would be good in this game were, and nobody moved themselves in any direction, one way or the other."

A couple of players who are new to the Canes played and they had some good moments as well.  In the third period, Anthony Stewart took a pass from Jeff Skinner and tipped it in the net for a score.  I asked Stewart how it felt out there, so early yet in the season.

"Well, it didn't start out too well.  I might have been a bit shell-shocked out there and it took awhile to get the legs.  It was a pretty high intensity scrimmage and we came out pretty fast and loose, but once we got into the game a bit, we got into a groove and finished off strong which is the main thing."

Stewart was on a line with Skinner and Ruutu.  He said that it took a bit to find the proper timing with his linemates.

"It was our first time out there, so our timing was a little off on our breakouts.  But once we got the puck in stride and the puck down low, we were gelling pretty good.  Like I think our first shift in the second there, when we got the puck in deep, had a big hit, were scrambling in front of the net, and we ended up getting a goal."

After the game, there was a five person shootout.  Jeff Skinner started out with a score, followed by Jussi Jokinen and Patrick Dwyer

It's obvious that Skinner will be one of the go-to guys in that situation.  I asked him if he had been working on any new moves over the offseason.

"Yeah, over the summer I wanted to improve on that.  But obviously, a lot of it is mental.  That part has to come on it's own when the time comes.  But physically, you work on your shot, you work on your hands, and on different sort of breakaway scenarios."  He went on. "Yeah, I've been working on it a little bit and hopefully it pays off.  

Look for mostly younger players for the preseason game in Buffalo tonight.  We'll have a game preview up with lineups and more information early in the afternoon.  (The game will be streamed online by the Sabres.  More info to come.)

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I am soooo fraking exctied my wife ran the other way when i looked at her !! LOL but seriously…man it is “time” and then there is the Checkers camp coming up soon too !! Like Stewart said..it took a shift or 2 get their legs..and for fans as game or 2 to get over the excitment overload !! and yes folks..I drink decaff too !! Thanks Bob…you & the “Crew” here are spoiling us fans rotten !! Thanks You !!

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by CaniacSteve on Sep 19, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I only went to watch the scrimmage, and it was a pretty good crowd. Nash and Terry stood out to me, and I noticed Brett Sutter and Bowman were constantly harrassing people defensively — especially Bowman he seemed like he was every where. The Staal, Poni, and Jokinen line looked huge compared to everyone else. And Boucher made me nervous which looked like a lack of real effort early on, however, after the Harrison stop he looked like he found a groove.

by hotchipsnsalsa on Sep 19, 2011 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Late in the game, Brett laid a heavy check on younger cousin Brandon to cause turnover. My hockeymom instincts were grinning ear to ear.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 19, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, I agree I think Bowman had two goals as well. (Left him out by accident) I don’t think there was an official stat page. Hanlin was tracking shots on goal upstairs, but I didn’t see the results.

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by Bob Wage on Sep 19, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

i had similar takeaways — nash looked good boucher looked bad early

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 19, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You and I spotted a lot the same things. Except I worded it like this…“Every time a goal was scored on Brian Boucher I had a little heart attack.” Every time he got scored on and my brother cheered (as he was rooting for red) I said “I am glad you are cheering but THIS IS NOT GOOD!”

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by Esbee on Sep 19, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did they have scoresheet – can’t find one online – ? I’m thinking Drayson Bowman had 2 goals as well. He decided to make an impression by checking Ryan Murphy every chance he got, which was pretty much every shift. Totally pwnd the rookie a few times, had me laughing. If you want to get noticed, that’s was the right person to pick on.

And it was definitely about the O. I did enjoy Pitkanen dogging Staal – nothing rough, just close checking, heavy pursuit.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 19, 2011 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope Stewart finds his groove with the Canes

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by ThrashersRecaps on Sep 19, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree with most of the comments above. But by far the biggest surprise to me was the play of Gregory Hoffmann. If he continues to progress he will crack the big team next season. Kid was a steal as a 4th round draft pick.

by sittler27 on Sep 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. I’d say Terry but I expected him to come out strong. Glad to see Hofmann still looks silky smooth as he did at the WJC and in his Swiss highlight reels. Definitely has NHL potential.

by JussiJuice on Sep 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You probably saw that head scout for ISS wrote in The Hockey News right after the draft that Hofmann was easily the steal (the best pick) of the 4th round. I thought he looked sharp vs the Rangers in Trav City too, beautiful feed to an invite in the slot for a goal.

And he’s tougher than you expect from skilled European stereotypes.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 19, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

First off many thanks to Bob and Carolyn for all their wonderful efforts to keep the rest of us in the know! Both of your content has been very high quality stuff. And thanks to those who were at the scrimmage and reported back as well.

Nash is one player who wasn’t really talked about much as a prospect/AHL’r with a shot at making the big club. Ronnie Francis was very high on him, which prompted the trade to get him last year, but he needed to adjust to the speed of the pro game. Although it’s only a scrimmage, ( but an uptempo scrimmage) would those who saw him think he’s ready to play the game at the NHL tempo? We have Ruutu at center but if a natural centerman like Nash could show he is ready for the NHL AND can do pretty well in the face-off circle we’d be a much better club. The team doesn’t have a classic set up man in the center spot but there is a growing number of players who can finish. I am rooting for Nash to make a splash ! ( intended to be corny)

by Hockeydog on Sep 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Probably too soon to see Nash as a full-time regular...

But I agree that he has the skillset to eventually be a contributor here.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 19, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just thinking the Canes didn’t post this to their website, so if you’re not on twitter you might not have seen the post-game audio links:

Postgame audio -

Dalpe 1 min

Bowman – talks about having demonstrated he could play strong in own end, now he’s showing he can score too. He follows instructions well it seems. 1:20

Maurice: about 4:20

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Suppots what many of us don’t like about Mo—surpress your offensive skills, who cares if you score, I want defense first mentality or you don’t play….

by Squeaky83 on Sep 19, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

What were your thoughts on the Maurice segment? He really discusses the priorities of Offense vs Defense there. The Dave Lewis 5-man system etc.

I think Maurice wants most is a team full of Ryan Keslers and Jordan Staals, so Jeff Skinner can do his thing.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 19, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

being defensive-minded is one thing, trying to force square pegs into round holes, that’s another. if we have a bunch of scorers, put them in a position to score. you wanna cut down on opponent shots on goal? Develop a good offensive cycle game with puck possession instead of dump-and-chase with a 1-man forecheck. Just sayin…

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 19, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many aspects of offense have their place. To engage your cycle you have to get possession in the zone. That at times depends on what the other team is doing and who is on the ice. Even the best possession teams will at times dump and then aggressively chase. Not a bad strategy when a team has slow footed D or if they try to stack the defensive blue line. Other time I agree you want to enter the zone with speed and possession and look for the quick hit scoring opportunity…. if not there cycle it to draw a defensive player out of position.

Dump and chase with a single fore-checker is a defensive strategy that basically gives up possession and sets a trap or lock, etc. or is used for line changes. I agree as constant staple it lacks creativity and is boring.

Where I think we disagree is the premise that players are one dimensional. Scorers can also be responsible defensively. Crosby is. Perry had 50 goals and is. Sedin, Iginla and Kesler all had over 40 and are. Marleau and Carter are just a couple more. I tend to like “complete” hockey players and that means you are responsible in both ends of the ice. Or you are one dimensional like Danny Heatley and see how that worked out.

by sittler27 on Sep 19, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What you say about two-way players makes perfect sense, Sittler, though the players you listed are all immensely gifted. Some lesser players are never going to match somebody like Ryan Kesler in their own zone although they should of course do their best. Some of those lesser players happen to be a lot more gifted in the offensive zone—it seems at least some players can be great at skills like stick-handling, deceptive but accurate passing and shooting and yet are only ordinary in their own zone. Then you have players who are strong in the defensive end and pose such limited threats in the offensive zone that teams can pretty much ignore them and go after the Staals and Skinners on the other team.

Do you agree with that general typing of players? If so, do you think there should be a place on the Canes for some players who are stronger in the offensive end if the Canes can’t sign or draft a dozen Ryan Keslers? Or should the priority always be that the better defender plays no matter how limited in the offensive zone?

The extreme case would be choosing between a 30-goal scorer who is below average defensively but tries, and a strong defender who scores mostly off rebounds and totals less than 10 goals a year. Should the Canes always go with the strong defender?

by curiouscanesfan on Sep 19, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points.

Because many of the players I listed are very gifted, not many of them came out of Juniors or Europe with necessarily a great defensive game. They were probably pretty much able to impose their will offensively and that was their prime focus.

So that defensive part of their game gets developed at the pro level if they are open to it. It is a function of coaching, development and a team approach to offence and defence.

So lets use an example. Skinner. Is asking him to come back hard and support the D going to impair his offensive numbers. So lets assume he doesn’t. That means that the other team will have more time and space which should increase both their possession time and scoring chances. All not good for our offensive. But lets assume Skinner comes back hard. That will allow our D to be more aggressive, should create turnovers and allow us to transition back to offence. With Skins having come back hard he is a better outlet for a pass to transition to offence. I just have never adhered to the premise that a talented player who contributes to a defensive team game necessarily negatively affects his offensive game. In fact I think it is the contrary.

Now the overall offensive strategy does come into play. When they were at their worst the NJ Devils would transition to offense but keep one forward high and only release one D to the rush, if at all. Their concern was always not to be scored on first. Contrast that with all three forwards going hard towards the net or slot and one or both D aggressively released into the rush. We have more talent up front through 4 lines than we have had in a while and a bias towards to offensive minded D…. I’d be using that to my fullest advantage…. especially with a world class goaltender who can bail us out of some of the chances that will come back the other way.

by sittler27 on Sep 19, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

a happy medium between (a) keeping defenders back and having forwards come back hard and (b) allowing forwards to “cheat” and flee the zone early and having defensemen always jumping into the rush has got to be reached with this team. We just don’t have the uber-talented players to make it work one way or the other. should be interesting to see it all play out.

as for tonight’s game, hope no buffalo AHL call-ups have any vendettas on our guys from the Checkers, would hate to see anyone get hurt.

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds as though you think some of that defensive development in gifted players can come after they join the NHL team. Correct?

by curiouscanesfan on Sep 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most of the defensive development comes after they join the pro’s. Don’t forget that most of the most gifted players make it direct to the NHL either straight out of Juniors or Europe. Others learn to become more complete players in the AHL. More recently we are seeing more players come out of US college and I think they are actually doing a good job at developing complete players…. a lot of that has to do with the fact that come out a bit older.

by sittler27 on Sep 19, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would certainly depend.

That’s obviously an extreme example that you probably can’t parallel with a real-life one, but it comes down to this: will that 10-goal scorer save you 20 goals allowed? It’s certainly possible.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 19, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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