Hey Hey, My My: Hurricanes At Jets, Game Day Preview

by Bob Wage on Sep 28, 2011 2:30 PM EDT in Carolina Hurricanes Game Day Previews

CHARLOTTE, NC - SEPTEMBER 25: Goalie David Aebischer #1 and Brett Festerling #53 of the Winnipeg Jets protect the puck from Anthony Stewart #13 and Riley Nash #20 of the Carolina Hurricanes in the second period during an NHL pre-season hockey game September 25, 2011 in Charlotte, North Carolina. (Photo by Sara D. Davis/Getty Images)

The Carolina Hurricanes are visiting the home of their new, (although temporary) division rivals, the Winnipeg Jets tonight to finish what was started on Sunday. But unlike the game in Charlotte, the Jets will be playing more of their regulars in this one while the Canes will be leaving most of their brightest stars at home.

According to Illegal Curve, the Jets lineup will include former Canes, Andrew Ladd and Troy Bodie.

Goal
Ondrej Pavelec
Chris Mason

Defencemen
Brett Festerling Tobias Enstrom
Paul Postma Zach Bogosian
Mark Stuart Johnny Oduya

Forwards
Andrew Ladd Alex Burmistrov Blake Wheeler
Evander Kane Mark Scheifele Spencer Machacek
Carl Klingberg Kyle Wellwood Chris Thorburn
Patrice Cormier Troy Bodie, Janne Pesonen

Healthy Scratches: Bryan Little, Nik Antropov, Jason Gregoire, Tim Stapleton, Ben Maxwell, Jim Slater, Ron Hainsey, Dustin Byfuglien, Randy Jones, David Aebischer

Preseason game or not, everyone anticipates another raucous, sell out crowd for this one.

The Hurricanes official lineup has yet to be announced, although coach Paul Maurice made some earlier statements which we can read into. First of all, Brian Boucher is expected to go all the way in this contest. He'll probably be backed up by Mike Murphy.

The coach also said that he wanted Bryan Allen and Derek Joslin to see some action, so they will be on the ice barring something unforeseen.

Last but not least, most of the younger players will be trying to make this game stand out as a final positive point of reference for this training camp. It's expected that there will be another roster cut this week, but even if some of these youngsters don't make the team this go-round, they want to be at the top of the "recall list". So it's vital that borderline players such as Zach Boychuk, Jerome Samson, Drayson Bowman, Brett Sutter, and others step it up to the max in this one tonight.

I'll take a stab at the starting lines, but they certainly could be different:

Jokinen, Skinner, Stewart
Bowman, Sutter16, Tlusty
Dwyer, Brent, Boychuk
Sutter42, Matsumoto, (Nash?) Samson
Allen, Murphy
McBain, Kaberle (Faulk?)
Joslin, Sanguinetti

Eric Staal, Cam Ward, Joni Pitkanen, Tim Gleason, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Tuomo Ruutu, and Chad LaRose did not make the trip.

The game will be broadcast by TSN and is scheduled to be rebroadcast on the NHL Network at 3 a.m. (Check your local schedule.) As always, you can listen online via the stream from 99.9 The Fan , and we will have an open thread for discussion here starting at 8 while the puck will be dropped at 8:30 Eastern. We will also be searching for video streaming options once the game starts, so check back in the game thread for information about that.

One final note, the season's first Canes Corner featuring Mike Maniscalco is tonight and the guest will be Cam Ward. If you can not make it to the Backyard Bistro, you can also listen to that on 99.9 The Fan starting at 7 p.m.

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Good stuff thanks!

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

Michael Smith & MIke Sundheim have been tweeting some good stuff in the last 10 minutes.

Sundheim says

Pretty sure plan is for Boucher to play the entire game. Lineup includes Skinner, Jokinen, both Sutters.

Smith (@MSmithCanes) had quotes from Mo’s comments to media after practice.

Paul Maurice told the media that this morning that he expects the roster to be down to 27 tomorrow.
Everybody in that group of 27 would probably see time in Raleigh at some point this season, he said.
Maurice: “More competition on the defense than we ever expected. Probably less up front, unfortunately.”
Last nugget from Maurice today: Skinner will play at center tonight.

“Probably less up front unfortunately” – Yikes. Boychuk, Bowman, Terry all disappointed it seems. Zac Dalpe, Brett Sutter and Riley Nash likely are the good kids list.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions

Down to 27 means 7 more cut tomorrow. Probably both Peters and MMurphy. Then Durno and Murray. Then Matsumoto, Krueger, Mathieu Roy.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I wondering why they took so many players for this trip?

by hotchipsnsalsa on Sep 28, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m not sure. Good question.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Get them used to it.

These are the guys who might have to take that flight on one morning from Charlotte and be ready to play that night.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

No one caught my bad math – if they’re getting down to 27 it means 9 players are cut tomorrow.

I’d add Chris Terry and Bobby Sanguinetti. If not Sanguinetti then….Samson, Nash?

Those remaining would be Faulk and Murphy for 9 defensemen with 7 NHL regulars.

16 forwards would include Dalpe, Bowman, Sutter42, Boychuk, Samson, Nash plus these 10 NHL “regulars” : 12, 23, 15, 36, 53, 16, 37, 19, 39, 59.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Changing my thoughts on the 9 cuts. Sanguinetti won’t be among them and will stay. But the Forwards would be Durno, Matsu, maybe Terry (?) and one more. I just don’t know.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

It might be Boychuk. Barring a miracle, he’s played himself off the roster. Might as well make it official.

by curiouscanesfan on Sep 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I left off Stewart too so there are 11 regulars plus Dalpe.

Then there are only 3 others who will likely remain as a line tomorrow, a center and 2 wings. Nash, Sutter42, Bowman ???? Can Sutter or Bowman play on the right side?

Haven’t heard Samson, Boychuk get much attention. All 5 are on the roster tonight.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Usually not a lot of “throw away” comments from Mo. I’m sure there was a message there.
I think your assessment is bang on. Got the impression from guys I talked to that Brett Sutter has impressed with his overall game. Nash has surprised. Dalpe is where they hoped he would be and more. Nothing glowing about the others…. except that they have liked Tlusty’s overall game. Just wish he would score more.
The one player that I saw positives in but perhaps I’m the only one is Bowman. Thought he showed good quickness to the puck; finished every check and was positionally sound. However he is still not finding the back of the net.

by sittler27 on Sep 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Bowman and Boychuk

Maurice is definitely sending a loud, clear message to a number of forwards, including Bowman and Boychuk. It isn’t going to be sufficient to play o.k. (as in not standing out among their peers). I like Bowman’s game in all areas but finishing as you point out. He is big, fast, and hits with a purpose. Bowman was projected as a scoring wing and the knock on him which kept him available until the third round was that he was not defensively sound. As it is, he is very effective defensively, but although he has a lethal shot, he is having trouble settling down and putting the puck into the back of the net.

Brett Sutter may well play himself onto the team this season. For Boychuk, he has to work out how to get to his game against NHL defensemen who are stronger and faster than many defensemen in the AHL. However, with Skinner and Dalpe on the team, the available top six spots are very limited. On the other hand, if Boychuk scores three goals tonight, the tune could change quickly.

by abramsdoug on Sep 28, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Boy, that is a message to the forwards in the group! ( Dalpe not included I am sure)

by Hockeydog on Sep 28, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Bowman

I do kinda hate it for Bowman. He has not scored like they projected he could, but unlike Boychuk he’s worked hard to make himself an asset on the ice in other ways, as you described sittler. I think over 82 games the team would be better off with him in the lineup over Dwyer, and maybe even LaRose. I think he can bring a more physical game than either one of those two, and while I don’t think he’s ever going to be a prolific scorer, I do think if he knew he had a job every night in the NHL he’d relax and pot a few. He’d be a good 4th liner with more pop than your run of the mill 4th liner.

by Hockeydog on Sep 28, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Agree

I thought Bowman stood out early, had a quick shot, but the kid hit two posts…

….had those posts been goals?? Probably a totally different assessment by the team and us fans.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda….

by Squeaky83 on Sep 28, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Now the Winnipeg Free Press provides this lineup. Not sure if it’s official.

4 Jamie McBain, D
5 Bryan Allen, D
11 Zach Boychuk, C/W
16 Brandon Sutter, C
19 Jiri Tlusty, C/LW
20 Riley Nash, C
21 Drayson Bowman, LW
22 Zac Dalpe, C/RW
27 Derek Joslin, D
28 Justin Faulk, D
37 Jussi Jokinen, F
37 Tim Brent, C
39 Patrick Dwyer, W
42 Brett Sutter, LW
44 Jay Harrison, D
51 Tomas Kaberle, D
53 Jeff Skinner, C/RW
71 Jerome Samson, RW
38 Brian Boucher, G
60 Justin Peters, G

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions

Sorted into lines – I cut and pasted that from the Free press. They have Jokinen and Boucher’s numbers messed up.

My guess, after the first line the wings are all guess work.

Jokinen- Skinner – Dalpe
Tlusty – Sutter16 – Boychuk (That’s 2 LW’s but there aren’t enough RW’s this trip)
Bowman – Brent – Dwyer
Sutter42 – Nash – Samson

Allen – Faulk
Kaberle – Harrison
Joslin – McBain

Boucher
Peters

Scratches of interest: Ryan Murphy, Anthony Stewart, Chris Terry, Bobby Sanguinetti

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

how come Sanguinetti isn’t seeing any game action?

by Crazychf on Sep 28, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I have no idea.

And we don’t know for sure if the WPG Free Press is official – but the numbers work out and not sure why they would publish something unless they had some guidance.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Murphy seems odd too, does that mean it’s wrong or Murphy will play again on Friday.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I actually heard they were thinking about holding Ryan Murphy out – it was in Mo’s audio yesterday or the day before. I wondered if it was because WPG was such a rough game the opener at MTS, they want to shield him a bit from that kinda nastiness/risk?

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions

that would make sense, although there’s a lot of nasty OHL barns to play in.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I saw your comment about possible cuts tomorrow. I agree with it just i would think they would let Sangs play in a least one pre season game before a cut, if they do cut him.

by Crazychf on Sep 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Makes you wonder about his hip.

by curiouscanesfan on Sep 28, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

actually not a bad looking lineup, hopefully they can keep it close.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Neither Poni nor Stewart – in fact.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

point?

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry – distracted -and I didn’t finish my thought – the forwards are all rather small. I was going to figure out if Dalpe was the biggest guy there, other than Brandon Suttter (in height not weight).

But then the D includes Allen, Harrison, Joslin and then Kaberle, McBain and Faulk can hit. Kaberle can deliver a check, can’t he?

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions

No worries, with the exeption of Bodie & Cormier it’s mostly a finesse type of lineup; Thornburn, Ladd, and Kane will throw em if need be. I expect the Jets will come out hard and heavy the 1st ten minutes, but after that things will normalize. We’ve got the Sutters, what more do we need.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

The idea of two Sutters playing in Winnipeg is some seriously Old Time Hockey. (if the 1980s is Old Time)

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions

is for me.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions

As an old Blackhawks fan that grew up watching Darryl Sutter (and all his other brothers) it’s kind of neat to see the second generation of boys in the game. I think maybe this is what we’ll be seeing and talking about in 30 years with the Staal kids……

Harrumph

by ivyleager on Sep 28, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Kaberle is a less skilled and willing hitter than even Corvo was, for what that's worth.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Sangs with make this round of cuts. Reports say he has had a good camp. He hasn’t played in a pre-season game assuming he doesn’t play tonight, and I think he deserves to prove him self out there.

by Crazychf on Sep 28, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions

WHen I checked my suggestions above I agree. I think they’ll keep him to have 5 pairs of defense and then cut one more forward in addition to Terry so they have 5 lines or 15. But would that be Nash, Samson, Boychuk, Sutter42?

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I would take a guess, but I have no idea lol…I agree with the 5 pairs of D. Will they start the season with a full 4 lines?

So many questions that shall be answered!

by Crazychf on Sep 28, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah! Mo Knows What He is Doing!

He’s proved it here the past two seasons hasn’t he?!?!?

Or every year of coaching including Toronto!

Return to the Wa_stout!!!

Keeping quiet until now.

Many thanks to the posters….awesome stuff…..but time for Mo and JR to stop hugging up in the stands……let’s see some results!

Where’s the Stinky?

by WStout on Sep 28, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions

yo

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 28, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Homer: Hehehe.. Mo is their leader.

"It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times..."

by Gramm Matthew Esq. on Sep 28, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

We were one of the top teams in the league in payroll to points ratio (and regularly have been under Maurice.)

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 29, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

D-MEN

Just finished listening to John Forslund on 99.9 the fan. Said that McBain needs to have a great game to make the team. His camp hasn’t been good. With all the guys fighting for position on the blue line ,I feel he will be in Charlotte so he can improve his skills.

by skinnerthewinner on Sep 28, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions

McBain may get sent down?! Even after I guess you could say, “establishing” himself last year? Wow this D situation is interesting.
All these guys have a legit chance:
Faulk
Murphy
Sanguinetti
and now after reading SkinnerTheWinner’s comment, McBain

by Crazychf on Sep 28, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow – he does have a 2-way contract. But he’ll need to go through waivers. That’s stunning.

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions

There is a waiver grace period at the beginning of the year, correct?

by hurricane9 on Sep 28, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions

That finished 12 days before 1st regular season game. That’s why there were those 3 on waivers last Saturday (Blanchard, etc)

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

McBain and Waiver

I think there is zero chance the Hurricanes will waive McBain if he is waiver eligible. He is a potential all-star. I do think the Hurricanes organization is giving every indication it would trade McBain and Boychuk for a top six, sniper forward or a 1st round pick and a prospect. Maurice’s most recent comments make it almost unmistakably clear that both Bowman and Boychuk are Charlotte bound.

by abramsdoug on Sep 28, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions

He is a potential all-star.

That’s a little overzealous.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Read the various scouting reports on McBain and the comments across the NHL.

by abramsdoug on Sep 28, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t need to, my eyes work well. He’s barely a lock on our team, he’s almost redundant with Faulk and Murphy. I’m trying to be honest, he needs to have a good year and carve out a niche – put up points or get better defensively, otherwise it’s really hard to justify keeping him with all the other tools we have.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe I’m a bit biased toward McBain, but I can’t understand the sentiment that he’s fighting to make this team. I don’t know how his camp is going but in the games that I saw/read about i didn’t think he was performing poorly. He is, however, coming back from off season surgery.

What is more incredible is that almost every trade offer coming the Canes’ way includes a request (always rebuffed) for McBain as a central component. The kid scored 30 points last year while missing a few games. As good as Justin Faulk is, he’s unproven and very raw. I’d take McBain every time over him. But who knows…I’ve been wrong before and I’m definitely not an NHL talent expert.

by NotOpie on Sep 28, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Disagree.

He has the offensive game and simply needs to develop his positioning and mentality in his own. he’s extremely young.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 29, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Paul Maurice's Comments on Forwards Competition; Basically, Dalpe & Tlusty are in

From Chip Alexander on Twitter:

@ice_chip Chip Alexander
“Cut and dried” forwards for Maurice are Dalpe,Tlusty. Maurice said he’s now “looking for some chemistry” with lines.

@ice_chip Chip Alexander
Maurice said he began camp thinking five forwards would fight for two spots but “Those are pretty cut and dried in my mind right now.”

by abramsdoug on Sep 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT reply actions

So based on AD and skinnerthewinners posts it would appear that the forwards have been decided and there is one or more open spots on the blueline. I had thought McBain could be in for a fight this camp. I don’t think Mo and company want 4 offensive minded d-men in the lineup, and Kabs and Pitts have 2 of the 3 “active” d spots sewn up !

by Hockeydog on Sep 28, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions

But we haven’t seen Joslin yet. – How can he have a lock ahead of McBain without a single game?

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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 28, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Well I base my statement on the ideal that a team should have a balanced blueline.
Gleason- Allen-Joslin/Harrison are more the stay at home rough guys, and Kaberle and Pitkinen are the offensive guys who are a lock to make the team. That leaves one slot for an offensive minded blueliner. I guess Joslin wouldn’t be if Mo and company want a defensive lot that is balanced more to the mobile side.

by Hockeydog on Sep 28, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I would say three guys are fighting for that spot (Sangs, Faulk, Murph). I’m not to familiar with Roy, does he have a shot at cracking the big club?

by Crazychf on Sep 28, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Probably not on Roy.

Even if he was a marginal upgrade (and I don’t believe he is), it probably wouldn’t be worth it because of his lack of youth and upside.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

As I recall, McBain did struggle at the beginning of last season. Maybe he is having a poor camp, as he doesnt come of the summer well. If he doesnt play well, it does seem possible that with Sangs, Faulk, Murph all making a strong push for the NHL, he doesnt start up with the Canes. Sorry for the lack of apostrophes, that key isnt working lol.

by Crazychf on Sep 28, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions

McBain did struggle at the beginning of last season

He kind of struggled through the whole season; he had really good games toward the end, but was never really able to it all together for more than a couple of games here and there. He looks better so far.

by Go_Shelf on Sep 28, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I’ve been out of the loop for quite sometime, however, it feels awesome to be back on here. Thanks to all the site staff for doing a spectacular job as always. I need to get caught up on some reading really fast.

by HorizonsOfChaos on Sep 28, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions