Bowman, Boychuk, and Others Will Be Back
by Bob Wage on Sep 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT
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It's got to be a bitter pill to swallow.
Drayson Bowman, Zach Boychuk, and Jerome Samson have each tasted life in the NHL. And each of these players have stated that they feel like they belong here. Regardless, they were assigned to Charlotte today by the Carolina Hurricanes.
In all, 12 players were sent to the Checkers. Justin Peters, Brett Sutter, Chris Durno, Jon Matsumoto, Mathieu Roy, Bobby Sanguinetti, and Samson will have to pass through waivers. Yes, that means that any other team can pick them up, (like Brett Carson last year), but they need to stick on an NHL roster or they go back to the waiver wire.
The others sent to the Checkers, bypassing the waiver process were Chris Terry, Justin Krueger, Mike Murphy, Bowman, and Boychuk.
Each of these players have worked very hard to get to where they are today, but for whatever reason things didn't click this time around, or they just were not NHL ready. That's not to say that the book is closed though.
While the team was relatively injury free last season, the Hurricanes have had a few minor injuries already this preseason. Chad LaRose, Tuomo Ruutu, and Tim Brent have each missed games due to ailments or injuries. If this is any indication of what's to come, Boychuk, Bowman, and some of their company will be back sooner, rather than later.
The Canes currently have 24 on their roster. While they have three extra defensemen, including Ryan Murphy and Justin Faulk, they only have one extra forward, (Riley Nash). Nash is reportedly filling in for Ruutu, who is expected to sit out the final two preseason games this weekend. The young center will probably also be reassigned when Ruutu is ready to return.
But if any other injuries pop up? One or more of our friends down in Charlotte will be making a return trip.
Many teams will carry an extra forward on their roster most of the season, but the Canes don't feel the need to do so. Why have someone twiddling their thumbs in the press box when they could be playing just a couple of hours away?
While Samson, Bowman, and Boychuk have each been solid enough when they had their chances, they just haven't done enough extra to put them up and above their competition. There's no shame in that. If they can keep a positive attitude and keep their heads up, (like they have done in the past), they will have another chance to shine and maybe then they will get hot and break through.
Unlike in the past, when the Hurricanes depth chart had more holes in it than a pasta strainer, the Canes have ample talent waiting in the wings if needed.
For now, this is what the forward lines look like. More about this tomorrow in our game preview.
- Ponikarovsky, Staal, Dalpe
- Skinner, Ruutu, (Nash) Jokinen
- Tlusty, Sutter, LaRose
- Stewart, Brent, Dwyer
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current lines not too sexy, my take on jazzing it up
Ponikarovsky, Staal, Dalpe – like what i’ve seen from Poni, but it’s preseason. Dalpe? Talk to me in December
Skinner, Ruutu, (Nash) Jokinen – Would like to see Sutter centering Skinner and Jokinen
Tlusty, Sutter, LaRose – would like to see Nash centering Tlusty and Stewart/Bowman
Stewart, Brent, Dwyer – Brent centering Dwyer and Stewart/Bowman
All told, I’m thinking we will need to package some kids for a trade 2 months into the season for a veteran scorer, just based on what I’m seeing so far this preseason. hoping for the best!!!
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 29, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
Spoken like Mo
Dalpe has shown his speed and scoring ability. Though he’s no Skinner, he’s got good AHL and NHL experience. He’ll be fiine if allowed to play and adapt/adjust. There’s a reason most scouts and press like his chances this season.
Like the 3rd and 4th lines, I think going to be asking too much of Dalpe to play on the 1st line in his 1st full season. I know it makes the most sense, but I can’t that will last long.
What are your thoughts (or anyone else for that matter) about Stewart on the 4th line? I understand it just based on how they’ve played so far this pre-season. I’m just not certain I like Stewart there. Swapping LaRose and Stewart seems to make more sense to me, but there is probably some desire to keep LaRose and Sutter together as they will likely form on forward pair on the PK.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
larose makes the most sense on the fourth line. stewart’s wife literally just had a kid, so that may have attributed to his somewhat slow start this season. i see him as a third line if not second line guy, depending on how juiced he gets at gametime. when he’s on, he’s a beast. imagine him on a line with ruutu? i would HATE to go against a line like that.
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 29, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it'd be the "RuuStew" line...i can hear the chants already...
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 29, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t know he and his wife were expecting. That could be a reason for his somewhat slow start. Did his wife relocate with him or is she still somewhere else?
from the N&O
“Forward Anthony Stewart traveled with the team to Winnipeg but quickly returned to Raleigh for the birth of his son, Mason Anthony Stewart.
Read more: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/canes/home#ixzz1ZNgFNYkf
Congrats Big Daddy !!
I understand she is here in NC with him. The baby boy was born around 12:30am this morning. Great news – and a lot going on in his life the last year.
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 29, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s played himself onto to the 4th line, so for now that’s where he should play. With everyone playing to their potential he’s probably best on the 3rd line. I wouldn’t swap Larose and Stewart, it would Stewart with Tlusty by a hair, I just think Larose has a little more offense and finesse to his game than Tlusty.
OK
And somehow LaRose played himself onto the third line??? Not sure where I saw that any time last year, or especially this year… So I’d have to disagree. Stewart has looked better each game. Mo even said so. He brings good size and decent speed and has shown previously he has a scoring touch if he can find it. He looks to have earned a third line spot.
LaRose has shown…he’s LaRose. Good guy, hard worker, FOURTH LINER.
Fourth liners can't score 19 goals.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying LaRose has more offense and finesse than, well, anybody, is scary bad news for Tlusty.
by drifterscape on Sep 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
we fans can swap all the players
on all the lines we ant..but the final say will be Mo & company..behind the bench…I don’t know about most of you..I’m gonna sit back and enjoy the ride for now…and I do feel bad for Bowman..but NOT Boychuck..it was his spot to lose…and yet again..he did…Great work Bob and our thanks…
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
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Go Canes & Checkers !!!
I feel bad for Bowman as well. He was expected to score when drafted, but he’s work on other parts of his game to become what I think is an asset on the ice. He learned to be valuable even when not scoring, something Boychuk has not grasped yet.
I think as fans sitting back for now is smart thinking. It’s fun to come up with what we think the lines should be, but let’s see what develops over these last two preseason games, as they will be basically the NHL club up front. Let’s see which players develop chemistry with each other. Let’s see how Sutter plays with better talent around him. I have not made up my mind yet on what I’d hope the lines to be. I do know that I am rooting for Nash to be a part of the team. I think we really need a cerebral centerman in the mix.
by Hockeydog on Sep 29, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Bowman drank the Mo cool aid to be able to make his case for the NHL—putting his offensive instincts and play on the back burner. Now he’s got to relight those to get a chance to play where he wants and needs to… Hope he’s on a top line in the AHL and gets that chance.
^ This…he worked hard on the defensive part of his game and, quite frankly, he’s just been snakebitten offensively…I don’t know which other youngster has clanked the post more. I did note from the 1st period of the Winnipeg game (at their barn), he was looking for his shot more and throwing the puck at the net…a great instinct for a scorer. Of the three of Bowman, Samson, and Boychuk, I believe that Bowman will handle his demotion the best (w/Samson being a close second). All three had to know that when both Dwyer and LaRose were resigned, followed by Tlusty’s 1 way deal, the writing was on the wall. It would have taken an incredible preseason for any of that trio to make the big club.
We shall see what we shall see, but I do feel that if things do not click quickly, we’ll see JR pull the trigger on a trade, opening up slots both on the defense and the offense. Just my two cents….
Disagree wholeheartedly.
His rookie year in the AHL, he was a -19 while scoring .57 points a game. After drinking that “kool aid,” he went back to the AHL last year, and was a -3 while scoring .59 points a game. Looks to me like he got significantly better defensively while also maintaining, if not improving his offensive game. I understand you people will bash Maurice every chance you get, but reality simply doesn’t match up with your arguments.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
You are Correct. In the AHL. Under Jeff Daniels. Not quite the same as under MO, playing in the NHL…
My comment stands. Read Samson’s comments in the N&O as well—says the same things. Don’t try to be offensive. Play safe, play defensively sound in the limited 5 minutes Mo might give you. Swallow your offfense until you can show all the defensive responsibilty or you don’t play. Bowman made similar comments to the effect he tried hard to show and play defensively responsible and not try too hard on the offense, but that this year he wanted to prove to Mo he could be counted on for offense as well—unfortunately, didn’t work out. In his NHL time that is…
I think the notion that anybody is a completely different player simply by being called up is silly.
He has the same skillset; his mindset doesn’t change completely just by playing in a different uniform. It’s the same player, and regardless of level, that player got better last year, perhaps guided by Maurice’s urgings to improve his all-around game.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No one siad that
What has been consistently stated, is historically, the org has been bad at developing prospects. But yes, we are doing better. Second the average person feels Mo does not do well developing prospects—He doesn’t give them time, cares more about being defensively sound by a factor of ten over any offensive skill they may bring. Players have made multiple statements over the years in regards to this. When Mo first left, even Staal stated Mo stifled offensive creativity, and that he liked Lavi’s offensive approach.
Corvo stated he lost his scoring early last year because he was trying to play safer, mistake free hockey. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, multiple players have made similar comments supporting this. Who has Mo made offensively better? Not Tlusty. Not McBain. Not Boychuck, Bowman, Dalpe, Nash, etc. ANy player improvement came from work in the AHL with Jeff Daniels and crew or from their own programs and drive (i.e. skinner—mo didn’t develop him either—he let him play is all).
But you are right-the players don’t change, but yes their mindset changes when they change teams, coaches etc. They have to based on what the coaches demand or they are out-that’s true around the league. It’s why some players work better with different teams or coaches—they work best at what their natural skill sets are. WHether Bowman has the same skillset or not is in question—if he did, and got better scoring, where was that in camp? Or, if his previous mindset under Mo was to stifle offense and play defense first so you get to stay up with the big club, wouldn’t that hurt or at least stymie your offensive skillset? A skillset unused does not develop…
"ANy player improvement came from work in the AHL."
This is exactly your problem. There are at least three phases of the game (play in the offensive, defensive, and neutral zones), and offensive improvement and play is NOT the only concern.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 2, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Lines? Ha ha hah hah!!!!
I think that’s a quote from Paul " I don’t like nice ties or static lines" Maurice…
Relax and enjoy, the lines will change like always under Mo. Be greatful it ain’t the Winnypig Hurricanes. Sucks to be in Atlanta. As long as they stay put there will be good hockey.
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Getting old sucks!
Not really sure why Mo likes Tlusty so much. It seems if they have played in or for Toronto he has something for them.
I'm trying to be positive here, so if you're not go PUCK yourself.
Not sure why some assume Tlusty is somehow Mo’s pet project. First off he was solid in the pre-season. He skated well and finished every check. All that is missing is that he needs to find the back of the net. And it isn’t just Mo who has liked his game. Rod has singled him out as one of their better forwards so far. JR and Ron have also liked his game.
by sittler27 on Sep 29, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Tlusty had 6 goals and 6 assists playing 562 minutes on the season. Prorated to the 1300 or so minutes played by LaRose, that would be 28 points, 14 goals and 14 assists. That’s not earthshaking but it’s enough to help. Together with his defensive play, that makes Tlusty a safe choice.
For comparison, LaRose had 31 points in 1313 minutes. Sutter had 29 in 1381 minutes.
For comparison, Jokinen only played 1200 minutes and scored 52 points. Skinner played 1372 minutes and scored 63 points. Those guys bring a whole other level of offensive skill.
[Looks as though the 3rd line is going to be good for about 90 points this season, with 44 goals (16, 14 and 14) if performance tracks to last year. Will that be good enough or put too much pressure on the first two lines to score?]
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 29, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
if tlusty stays on the 4th line he won’t have to score
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Sep 29, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s shown on the 4th line in Bob’s article and that’s where he usually played last year, isn’t it?
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 29, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the Deal with LaRose on the 3rd Line?
What is this crazy love by Maurice for LaRose on the 3rd line? Is that a consensus by the coaches & Jim Rutherford or is it Maurice being stubborn? If Rod Brind’Amour, Ron Francis, Glen Wesley, and Jim Rutherford are all in agreement on that point, I’ll reluctantly defer further comment (although I can’t see how it can possibly be better than Tlusty/Sutter/Stewart).
...because he's a former first-rounder with a solid all-around game?
He’s not a scrub. He wasn’t picked #13 overall on accident. He was scoring a point per game in the AHL at 19!!! Injuries have slowed him, but he has the ability.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are you getting your line combos from?
That’s different from what is listed at CH.com, which has Stewart on the second line, Jokinen on the third, and Tlusty on the fourth.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
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