Canes @ Pens: Open Game Thread
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Well, Hockey with Muller is Fun to Watch
Whatever happens the rest of the season, Muller hockey is fun to watch.
No doubt, this is a completely different feeling/outlook for this team for sure. I just hate one that it took so long for the change to be made when it was so obvious and secondly having to go through this season with seemingly no shot at anything. If we could just develop some consistency and put a series of wins together then I just keep hoping we could sneak in by some chance.
Henderson-Sports 06
MFFL & Caniac
by Henderson-Sports 06 on Jan 17, 2012 6:45 PM EST reply actions
like all here i hate to see
the Canes lose..but and since Muller has taken over ..the canes are a better playing team…and a wee bit more exciting too !!! Lets Go Canes !!
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Hey OC glad you made it !!!
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Hello everyone......
That blonde Storm Squad girl on the Kangaroo Express adds is pretty nice!
but the commerical is great ..hehehehe
GR scores first lead charlotte 1-0
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
and here many were bad mouthing miste making McBain
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
aww bean dip!!!14:20 left in the first..GR leads 2-0 over charlote
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Love this new team identity
I love how aggressive we have been on the forechecking since Muller came in, it continues to pay off for us.
by DiCecco04 on Jan 17, 2012 7:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Does anyone have a link for the game? No FS South in Maryland! :(
by Maryland Caniac on Jan 17, 2012 7:15 PM EST via Android app reply actions
glad to have you with us !!!
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Actually got video on NHL.com. Better late than never!
by Maryland Caniac on Jan 17, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Darn! Just a teaser to get me to pay for Gamecenter Live! Maybe after next paycheck.
by Maryland Caniac on Jan 17, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Both teams working hard......
This should be a good one!
lovejoy, skinner, and mcbain
this is almost a simpsons episode
Staal is looking beastly so far tonight.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
by PackPride17 on Jan 17, 2012 7:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Saggs scores for Charlotte on the PP checkers now down 2-1 @ 13:40 of the 1st
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Matt Cooke.....
Start a fight and run for cover….That wspos!
Amazing effort by the guys tonight, very physical, and a fast paced game. Loving it
by DiCecco04 on Jan 17, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nodl almost had 2 attempts
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Nice hit on Kunitz, Payback is a biatch!!
by CruelIn10tions on Jan 17, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
at the end of 1 perod .it's 2-2 in Charlotte
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
I'm not going to say it....
But we know who blew that play!
Staal’s got to make sure he has that puck.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
by PackPride17 on Jan 17, 2012 7:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Staal did miss the puck, but a goalie should never give Malkin that much room, especially when he is at a terrible angle.
by hurricane9 on Jan 17, 2012 7:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bouncing puck for staal, Cam should have poke checked the puck..
by CruelIn10tions on Jan 17, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Why doesn’t someone hit malkin, the canes are letting him skate circles around them..Not a cheap shot, just nough for him to think when he’s got the puck, the same could have been said against the caps and Oveck..
Staal misplays the puck and Ward leaves a square foot of net open for Malkin. Bad way to end and otherwise good period. Well, the exception being McBain and Joslin are making me cringe when they’re in their own zone.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 7:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Isn’t it funny that when other teams make mistakes, we don’t capitalize. When we make a mistake, it always ends up in the back of our net.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
by PackPride17 on Jan 17, 2012 7:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that’s normally a sign of youth or inexperience
Henderson-Sports 06
MFFL & Caniac
by Henderson-Sports 06 on Jan 17, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
That call was outright atrocious.
by hurricane9 on Jan 17, 2012 8:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
gee I wish I had a stop watch
to time how long pitts is in our zone compared to the non support whne we are in theirs
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
well there was a break, Ward was clueless on that one
Henderson-Sports 06
MFFL & Caniac
by Henderson-Sports 06 on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions
Pens definitely in control of this period thus far
by DiCecco04 on Jan 17, 2012 8:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wish Tripp would shut up about who scores the next goal.
by rmmeli on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
that answer my queston of how little time
the canes offense spends in the pens zone
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
poni only cane n the zone ??and no shot on goal either
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
You could put Gordie Howe with McBain and he would still suck
by hurricane9 on Jan 17, 2012 8:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
whoops ..i was wrong..checkers lead 5-4 late in the second
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Would Malkin miss that one? I don’t think so.
by rmmeli on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
more traffic on twitter than here! hmmm
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Same shot by malkin as the first goal, same move by ward to give him the whole shoulder. Lucky that wasn’t a goal and he missed.
Canes again couldn’t clear the puck, what was nodl thinking..Back to the player at the blue line..DuH!
by CruelIn10tions on Jan 17, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
It was, skinner tried to poke the puck by him
by CruelIn10tions on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong. I think Orpik is a douche. But a clean hit is a clean hit.
The only easy day was yesterday.
Yeah, I hate Orpik but Skins had the puck and kept his head down. I’m not even sure it was an interference penalty. Orpik is still a douche though.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Announcers seem to think it wasn’t intentional. How did it look?
by Maryland Caniac on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 PM EST reply actions
Unfortunate but looked perfectly clean to me
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WTF!?!
Shannaban better suspend that B!?@h for good! Wtf was that!
by DiCecco04 on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
amen..sad to say they think that will cause
the canes to crumble elbow plus shoulder
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Will we see Timmy drop the gloves with Orpik next?!
by Maryland Caniac on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 PM EST reply actions
the rest of the season if it was up to me
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Someone take the suspension and just board Orpik.
by hurricane9 on Jan 17, 2012 9:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
rangers lead pred 2-0 at the end of 2 periods
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
I am so pissed off
How can one guy wreak so much dirty havoc on one team? That guy is dirty and someone needs to take him out at the knees and end his freakin career. Sorry to be so brutal, but he is garbage and deserves to feel career pain.
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
by Caniac233 on Jan 17, 2012 9:09 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
hey was swng his stick in anger as he went to the locker room
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Still do not think Skinner should be playing center.
by rmmeli on Jan 17, 2012 9:12 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Sorry for the language but I would like to say a big fuck you to the Pens fans who were booing the whole Skinner was laying on the ice. Boo after he gets up, not when he may be seriously injured. Classy group…
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 9:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think they were booing the penalty more than anything but probably should have waited to see how skinner was.
by Kyle13 on Jan 17, 2012 9:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I got that but I’ve seen other fans at least wait til the guys is halfway and not laying face down on the ice. I agree it probably wasn’t a penalty though…
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stupid phone with no preview, I got what you’re saying though
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Should have while Skinner was laying on the ice…
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am studying Concussion Rehab, Diagnosis, and Return to Play for my college research course
3 Year Study. And this is why
If Skinner has a concussion, he must be shut down for the year. At his young age, his symptoms are not the same as many players in their upper 20s and 30s. His symptoms do not reflect his actual brain recovery. EX a month after injury a 30 year old may have diminished headaches and Skinner may have diminished headaches compared to the original headache. This does not mean they are both at the same stage of the recovery. Skinner is MUCH farther behind and could be 3 months behind the actual brain recover than a 25 year old. I would not play him for this game. He is now more susceptible to a concussion. the quiet room test for a person Skinner’s age is not the proper test. Return to play protocol is such a grey spot in sports medicine.
we understand all of that..but what medical science hasn't figured out is heart and spirt
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
just a side note. This program is great because I can add my passion for sports and medicine and get to work with Neurologists so it’s great! :)
just do your best as people are gonna need ya
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
SCREW THE PENGUINS, SHOOTING THE PUCK AT A GOALIE WITH NO HELMET!?!
by DiCecco04 on Jan 17, 2012 9:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow, we must really have them worried if they have to resort to these tactics!
by Maryland Caniac on Jan 17, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
dupuis
If Pascal Dupuis scores I will puke. If Orpik scores, I will destroy my big screen tv
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
by Caniac233 on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Hockey's Future.Com
More hockey talk there than anywhere else.
I will join you. What is the site?
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
by Caniac233 on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
oo bad a hard swing to orpiks face didn't happen accidenaly of course
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Where are Staal's legs?
He’s making good moves but…wow. Not even trying to hustle on races.
he’s played over 21 mins so far tonight
by CruelIn10tions on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
got to get the puck up at the face shoulders..
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
thank goodness
Larose will not be in this shoot out.
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
by Caniac233 on Jan 17, 2012 9:34 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I wanna see a
skinner winner chicken dinner.
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
by Caniac233 on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
if there is any justice
We win this game
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
by Caniac233 on Jan 17, 2012 9:36 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
pens announcers said staal is in ! i can't @@##$%% IT!!!
Mi piace l'hockey su ghiaccio.
l'hockey è buono qui .. sì?
Timeout, the zamboni driver is drunk
by CruelIn10tions on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Juice looks like he might be getting some confidence back after scoring that goal the other night
The only easy day was yesterday.
Typical Staal and Cam shootout. Jesus
by Kyle13 on Jan 17, 2012 9:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
shut up tripp
the canes freakng lost !!!
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Great game by the Canes on the road
regardless of the final outcome!
True, got out played in there own end most of the night, needed 2 points, somewhat happy with 1…
by CruelIn10tions on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not going to say anything about Staal in the shootout but geez, Ward is horrible in shootouts it seems. I don’t think we’ve won one the entire season.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
MEMO TO COACH MULLER - NO MORE STAAL IN THE SHOOTOUT!!! EVER!
dwyer sutter jokinen ruutu skinner
Mi piace l'hockey su ghiaccio.
l'hockey è buono qui .. sì?
yes plz...
I’m surprised that they didn’t get like sutter or ruutu in there instead of staal.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
by thebl4ckd0g on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Later all! Well earned point, love the fight in this team and was a very entertaining game.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Jan 17, 2012 9:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Why in the name of all that is Holy.....
Does Muller use the man that has zero moves in the shoot-out?
Can we just give them the extra point if its still tired after overtime? It will at least save us the embarrassment of the shootout. We have bad shooters and the worst shootout goalie in history. Maybe put Peters in, to at least let him see some shots.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
by PackPride17 on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If you can't spell his name
you aren’t allowed to trash him.
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Jan 18, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I pray we get a goal before OT clock hits zeros if not go ahead and turn the channel because its over.
by bready86 on Jan 17, 2012 9:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Orpik's skates were 2 or 3 inches off the ice when he hit Skinner
Watch the replay. He should have been given a game misconduct.
but.
his skates left the ice. that’s not clean. that’s dirty. b/c orpik is a dirty player.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
by thebl4ckd0g on Jan 18, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
His skates were. On the ice when he made the hit. It doesn’t matter if they come up as a result of the contact. Skinner has a low center of gravity and a small body, so after contact his momentum lifted orpik a tiny bit off the ice
Clean hit.
by ECUCanesFan on Jan 18, 2012 1:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have hated Orpik ever since the Cole incident. But as much as I dislike him, this was a clean hit.
My thoughts.
If we are going to push games to OT or a shootout, Cam Ward needs some more practice during practice against out best shootout people. B/C no offense to Cam, but he’s never been great at all in a shootout. So we either need to win it in OT – or Cam needs more practice. :(
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
Ward and Staal and Generational Players
I think the Hurricanes organization is lucky to have both Ward and Staal. On the other hand, last night was indicative of the difference between a generational player like Malkin and excellent NHL players. There is no shame at all in being NHL All-star material but not being one of the small number of best players in NHL’s history. Malkin has Hall of Fame potential. At this point in their careers, unless Ward and Staal win some more Stanley Cups, they will likely have their jerseys retired; but will not be among the Hall of Fame members.
I read last night comments made by Nathan Horton and they seemed to ring true for both Ward and Staal. Horton said, “everybody expects me to be Gretzky; but I am not him. I am doing the best I can every game.” So it is with Ward and Staal. They are giving all they have; but when faced up against Malkin the odds favor Malkin.
Skinner has the most potential on the team as it presently is constituted to be a generational player. He is doing things at 19 that most NHL players can only do in their dreams. If the Hurricanes can draft a generational player to go with the core players and the young players on the roster and in Charlotte, Staal and Ward will both become far better players. Staal will have a player who can be the focus, along with Skinner, of the defense. Ward won’t have to worry that the least let down will result in a loss because the team can’t score enough goals to give him a cushion.
I find it unfair to criticize any player other than generational players for not playing like one of the five or ten best players in the NHL. Staal at the moment is the best forward on the team. He has been great for the organization. He has his limitations as a player; but on balance despite his tendency to mope on occasion, he has given all he has. Ward always gives all he has and with only a couple of moments this season when frustration overcame his self-control, he has be a model of how one would want an NHL goalie to act. Ward, too, has his limitations. He knows teams have the book on him and go high side, usually glove side. He is not the best goalie in the NHL in the skills competition of shoot-outs. When he is on his game, and particularly during the playoffs, he can be the difference maker between the team moving on and the team heading back to Raleigh to pack their gear up for the off-season.
To me shoot outs are like a skill show at the all star game. It is a team game and I have never thought that an individual skills competition should decide the outcome.
There are many other very good players who are terrible at shootouts. Stamkos comes to mind. Geez run him out of town.
I can’t recall the exact stat but Gretzky used to joke that they should decline penalty shots if he is the shooter.
The mistake is to use Staal in that situation. But you can’t blame Muller for trying to get to know his players and quite a few of them are playing and doing things differently under his leadership. Maybe he just wanted to give his captain a shot. So now hopefully he is done with that experiment.
Bigger mystery to me is why Cam has become so bad at shootouts.
But to your point, Cam made several exceptional saves that are only more impressive when you look at the replays. This is the second year in a row he has faced a ton of rubber. Despite his numbers he is in my opinion still one of the elite goalies in the league. Imagine him with an elite D corps in front of him.
Cam Ward on the Shootout
My take is that Cam Ward is best in the moment where he doesn’t think, but reacts. He’s a great athlete, but even more he is a competitor. If one looks only at the goals Ward allows over the course of a regular season and not the miraculous saves he makes almost on a routine basis, you’d think he was an average to an above-average goalie. Then if one looks only at his saves, you’d think he was a goalie who belongs in the NHL Hall of Fame, especially if one factors in the number of shots Ward faces each season.
At some point, we are likely to see either Murphy or Andersen as the back up goalie. I’d love to see Murphy called up and given a chance at the shootout. Why not have a goalie who is a shootout specialist? Shootouts are a nonsensical way to determine the outcome of games; but it’s the rules.
More Practice, Indeed.
Our “best” shootout people isn’t saying much, under the circumstances. Either Stall learns to be a sneaky SOB like Jokinen, or Muller stops using him in the shootout.
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