Pens Topple Canes in Shootout: Penguins 2, Hurricanes 1 (SO)
by Bob Wage on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 AM EST
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PrintThe Carolina Hurricanes remain winless this season in the shootout as they lost to the Pittsburgh Penguins on Tuesday night, 2-1, (SO).
It was another pretty evenly fought game, although the Pens did outshoot the Canes 41-26.
The contest had plenty of emotion and hitting. At one point in the third period, Brooks Orpik laid out Jeff Skinner, who was reaching for a puck near center ice. Skinner, who had just come back after missing 16 games due to a concussion, laid prone on the ice and was helped to the dressing room. Still, he came back to finish the game a few minutes later, which may prove to be an unwise decision if symptoms pop up in the days ahead.
There were also two fights as Tim Gleason and Tim Brent dropped the gloves for Carolina.
Jamie McBain started the scoring off when he crept in for a nice shot just 2:11 into the game. But Evgeni Malkin would even things up with just a minute and change left in the opening period.
Marc-Andre Fleury and Cam Ward would steal the show the rest of the way as neither team could score the rest of regulation or overtime.
In the shootout, Malkin would start things off with a goal and James Neal would put in the game winner for the home team. Jussi Jokinen scored on his attempt for Carolina, but Skinner and Eric Staal were stopped.
Game Notes:
- Ward looked solid until the shootout, which is usually a problem for him. Out of the "elite" goalies in the league, he's one of the worst performing in the skills competition. We will dig out the stats later.
- Staal also looked out of place in the shootout.
- Jay Harrison and Staal led the team with four shots each.
- The team won an outstanding 62% of their faceoffs: (Staal 53%, Sutter 86%, Jokinen 67%, Brent 20%, Skinner 63%)
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Bryan Allen remains one of the league leaders and blocked a game high six shots. The team blocked 24 for the night.
- check out post game quotes at Canes PR.
UPDATE: The Canes announced this morning that they reassigned Brett Sutter to Charlotte and they are recalling Zac Dalpe back to Raleigh.
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Shoot Out
Why do we continue to use Staal as one our top three players when it comes to shoot outs?? Obviously it isn’t working so why not put in Sutter and give him a try. I believe last night that Skinner still had cobwebs after getting hit and should have been pulled against his objections. I wouldn’t be surprised if Skinner doesn’t have reprocussions from that hit, even though it appears that it was a “clean” hit.
I think Skinner should have been kept out as well. He looked a bit off, especially on his shootout attempt. I would not be surprised to see some fallout from that hit. Also agree on using Staal in the SO. It’s just not his forte. Nodl looks like he’d be good at it, but have never seen him on a breakaway or SO attempt. Staal is not the answer, Muller wants to boost his confidence, and show confidence in him but Eric looked pretty gloomy after his failed attempt.
According to Chip, he’s taking the ice for practice today, so that’s a good sign.
by Jamie Kellner on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I thought I saw him slam his stick and break it on his way back to the dressing room after the hit….I was thinking that was not the typical reaction of someone who just got their bell rung.
In Kirk we Trust
I agree. I don’t think his poor shot on the shootout was due to the hit, but more so rust. We can’t expect him to miss that many games and jump back in right away as superman. From what I saw, Skinner actually did a decent job of limiting the impact to his head last night – it still got him, but could have been worse. He saw the hit coming and tried his best to protect himself. I nearly cried when I saw the hit though.
Thanks yet again Bob
this fan was glad that the Canes gave as good as they got,and was happy Skinner wasn’t re-injured.Yet the canes let several good chances slop by them to not only get ahead,but actually win the game..but the pens did out skate and out muscle the canes from the very begining..I just wished someone had cleaned orpik’s clock as and while that was deemed a “clean” hit but over all orpik’s history is one of very questionable calls and hits…but over all Bob you are right Ward’s SO stats are not very good…thanks Bob…tell the Boss you need a raise !!
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Tell that to Tripp. He was praising Orpik during the first period. Of course, i try my very best to not hear Tripp so he may have clarified himself a little later on.
Tripp was particularly awful last night, IMHO
I am no Tripp fan, but I try not to go too heavy on him. But John Forslund deserves better; it’s like a little kid who won’t shut up, saying the same stuff over and over, and throwing in some stupid nonsensical sayings like, “That’s a real feather in the ‘Canes coaching staff’s cap” every five minutes.
At least we know who his new man crush is. Orpik must’ve taken over for John Michael Liles, who Tripp was oddly fascinated with last season.
"I need to make sure I don't get too frustrated and stay focused on my game...The points and the offense, you have to believe, are going to come." - Eric Staal, 11/6/2011
by Capt. Stinky on Jan 18, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve met Liles several times when he played for Colorado, so I can understand his obsession;)
As far as Tripp goes, does anyone else get the sense that John can’t stand him? He seems sarcastic when he says, “Yes, Tripp, that is a good observation.”
"If you can't beat 'em in the alley, you can't beat 'em on the ice." Conn Smythe
by Winter is Coming on Jan 18, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think Tripp is the Chad LaRose of broadcasting. Nice enough guy, people like him as they would the class clown, but when it comes down to actually producing, he’s not quite up to snuff.
"I need to make sure I don't get too frustrated and stay focused on my game...The points and the offense, you have to believe, are going to come." - Eric Staal, 11/6/2011
by Capt. Stinky on Jan 18, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
This debate seems to go on forever, and from a purest stand point I can see where Tripp is annoying. However, from an entertainment stand point where you are trying to bring people into the game I would say if you polled most viewers you would find that he is acceptable with his knowledge and entertainment value. I don’t believe Forsuland is annoyed with him either. I think Forsuland’s sarcastic comments back to Tripp play well into the commentary.
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jan 18, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I get a bit impatient with Tripp from time to time but actually like the chemistry between the two that I think is deliberately egged on by Johnny F. You are right, it is entertaining sometimes.
A more global observation is the comparison of Tripp as the “color analysis” and others in similar roles with other teams. There are some flaming homers out there and just as many one sentence Neanderthals who I have no idea why anyone stick a mic in their hands. Sometimes the grass elsewhere is not greener. We have an average “good guy” in Tripp relatively compared and could have done far worse.
When able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
TT
The Panthers play by play guy’s makes Tripp like Harry Neale…IMO John & Tripp are pretty good…John the best right there with Joe Bowen/Rick Jenrette ,and Doc Emrick.
There are some really horrible ones out there. Tripp just annoys me so I try to ignore him. I’d pay good money to TWC if they could come up with a selective “mute” button for Tripp’s mic that is only applicable to the cable box that selects it. He seems like a really nice guy, but I just can’t take the beating a dead horse with his stories. But…it could be worse.
Agreed. Not as bad as some leadto believe. For a novice, tho, he's very informative.
Dosen’t get to detailed with stuff but teaches what you’re seeing on the ice. I’ve actually learned a lot from Tripp over the years, especially when I first started watching and didn’t know squat.
I agree. I think it bears remembering that the TV market is not just hockey diehards who are micro-analyzing every shift, there are many out there who are drawn in to the entertainment aspects.
As far is Forslund is concerned, I’ve never thought he can’t stand Tripp. Their relationship seems very familial to me, like the younger brother you alternately want to support and strangle. They seem to play off each other well. Perhaps because of our position in the standings, they’ve seemed a little more relaxed and prone to some general silliness in the last few broadcasts, which I personally enjoyed (bringing Harwood into it a little last night as well).
My personal impression of Tripp Tracy is that he’s a good human being.
And also, even though the name makes me snicker every time I hear it, I think Lewie’s Little Nuggets is a great feature.
by Jamie Kellner on Jan 18, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Dalpe!
Line changes a-comin, interesting. I wonder who’s moving down to Brett’s place… or do you think they’ll waste Dalpe on the 4th line?
Oh yeah, the hockey itself. The game last night was great, and if anyone missed it and has GCL it’s definitely worth a watch. Hope Skinner’s okay.
Looks like in today’s practice Poni was moved down to the 4th line with Brent and Stewart while Dalpe was with Skinner and Jokinen.
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jan 18, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
So Staal-Ruutu-Tlusty, Skinner-Jokinen-Dalpe, Sutter-Nodle-Dwyer, Brent-Stewart-Poni? I can’t say I like those lines. Skinner’s line doesn’t have anybody to muck it up in the corners, that’s purely a fast-break line.
Would rather see Samson on the Skinner/Jokinen line once he’s healed.
"I need to make sure I don't get too frustrated and stay focused on my game...The points and the offense, you have to believe, are going to come." - Eric Staal, 11/6/2011
by Capt. Stinky on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Orpik's Hit
The hit might have been legal, but it was a hit aimed to injure another player.
Luckily Skinner lifted his head just before the hit and didn’t take it directly to the head.
The Pens play a very physical game, they hit and get hit back. Maybe it explains the high number of injuries on their team.
by CanesFanFromLI on Jan 18, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions
Orpik Hit
I totally agree with your take on the hit. I have no use for players like Orpik or Cooke who try to injury other players. It’s part of a pattern. Ruutu makes crushing hits; but to my way of thinking he knows where the lines are. Guys like Orpik, Cooke, Carcillo, and Sutton need to be drummed out of the game as far as I am concerned. I do think the Hurricanes need to add another skilled forward who plays with an edge and can make open ice hits. I think it is a serious mistake that other teams know that they can unleash hits on Skinner and there is little chance the Hurricanes will unleash their fury in a legal manner on players like Malkin or Crosby in return. I do give kudos to Allen and to Brent for standing up to the Pens.
While I adore Ruutu, his hit on Jagr in last years World Cup was anything but this side of the line. Hard, hard boarding call. I was pretty mad at him for that hit. He has been forgiven.
Harrumph
Open ice hits
AD, you speak the truth. Key word is “make” open ice hits. I LOVED seeing Gleason try to make that speedy hip check last night, and wanted to cry when he missed. My favorite move in hockey, and it’s great to see our guys trying it at least. Can’t wait to see a few connect.
Orpik...
is a dirty player, and gets away with it. I really hope he gets several games suspension one of these days so people stop praising his dirty tricks.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
If the Cole hit happened now that Mr Cole is in Montreal, I am pretty certain Monsieur Orpik would be sitting for 30, not 3 games.
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Jan 18, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Heck of a Hockey Game
Another solid effort from start to finish…I did not realize Malkin was that good…He looked unstoppable last night…..It was as if we were watching a college hockey player playing in a high school game….made me hold my breath everytime he was on the ice.
Direct TV subscribers in the Carolinas….For some reason the HD feed from Fox Carolinas was not on….Channel 645-1…..and sometimes you can go to the Center Ice area 700s and find the HD feed…..Not last night……Hard to watch a normal feed when you have been spoiled to crystal clear 1080 HD……Anyone else have the same issue?
In Kirk we Trust
I was able to get the feed on 645-1. For some reason the pregame came on late but the rest was good.
Thanks
guess I need to call 1-800-DIRECTV the next time. Maybe they need to push their magic button back at the office. Sucks when you pay for HD/DVR etc and you get a fuzzy picture.
In Kirk we Trust
Directv
This used to take you to a page where you could push the magic button yourself. Don’t have Directv anymore so it might be outdated, but there is a page where you can send a re-authorization to the box.
https://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/mydirectv/mysystem/mySystemResendAuthorization.jsp?_requestid=1044063
Hope it still works…
Comment on the Pens
If that was a team that had significant injury issues, it certainly did not reflect in that team I saw on the ice last night. Their transition was impressive….not only speed but speed plus sharp clean passes with urgency which gave them easy access into our zone most of the time. That team has deep talent and it showed.
As I have said earlier, although the purpose is to win it is also to provide entertainment. You have to admit both teams kept you on the edge of your seat most of the night. Most Canes seemed to have emptied their tank and most of them did that wisely and I guess that is all you can ask. Mentioning those who did not is not necessary. It was just a few and you know who you are.
When able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 18, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions
Light MIddleweight
I was very pleasantly surprised at Brent’s fight. Impressed that he was person to stand up for his line like that and take on Vitale who was running ’Canes all night.
Orpik’s hit ? Technically legal I suppose, but designed to injure as many have pointed out. The ref’s didn’t like it either as they gave an interference penalty to it in a tight game.
I was impressed with Brent’s fight – he’s got it in him when needed. The Gleason/Engelland fight earlier in the game was impressive. Looked like two heavyweights pounding away on each other. That one made me say “ouch”.
Tim Brent’s comments today are quite entertaining (from Michael Smith and Chip Alexander on twitter):
RT @MSmithCanes: Brent on the Gleason-Engelland fight last night: "Those are two men having a punch-in-the-face contest."
RT @ice_chip: Brent said “a little bit of everything” got under his skin, notably Vitale “running around all night … trying to make an impression.”
by Jamie Kellner on Jan 18, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I heard it was only his second fight of his NHL career, too. Brent’s that is.
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jan 18, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Question on the shoot-out
I found this game equal amounts of fun and frustrating. Fun cause I thought we played a really hard game and there’s no doubt that this team is improving – everyone sees it happening. Frustrating cause of the shootout loss.. ehh, I have to say I DO enjoy watching shootouts but I agree with a number of people that it shouldn’t be used to determine games like this one.
Now about the shootout – I was wondering for those on this board that happen to attend and check out practices and such, how much time do they devote to working on shootout moves during practice? From what I hear Tlusty has some pretty sick moves that he can throw out there during shootout practice, we all know Sutter can wheel down ice and knock it in, Juice is a proven winner (hope he’s rounding back into form) and Ruutu has equal parts physical and finesse – Ruu’s got good hands. Anyways I just wonder how much this team might work on it at practice since it’s been around for a number of seasons and determines who takes home that extra point.
With the Staalion I get it – Muller wants to temper him in fire.. he’s the leader of this team and wants to put him in do-or-die situations. I just wish he wasn’t the anchor in lastnights shootout line-up.
All-in-all; GOOD GAME.
Megaweapon… Megaweapon… Megaweapon…
There’s one thing I’ve always wanted to see from Staal: Practice or actually Lift the puck. Staal is a low shooter, never goes top shelf. I’d love for him to work on this—the way youcould see Briere do before games against us: Cam is good low, practice high. He took at least twenty shots close to the net practicing elevating the puck. If Staal could elevate the puck on his shots—especially in close, he’d have more goals.
That’s always been his main weakness as a shooter. SInce goalies are good low, unless he can get the goalie to move the worng way with a deke, then he has to elevate the puck—Like everyone else who scored did….
I think Staal’s biggest problem on the SO is that he tries to get too fancy. He is a player that does much better when he just lets one fly! I’ve seen him lift the puck. I’ve seen him pick a spot. Just beat them with a hard shot!
skinner
I love Skinner, def my favorite player but he needs to simplify his game. He took that hit trying to poke and sidestep the hit. He takes big hits like this at least once a game and if he don’t do something he’ll be injured all the time. He’s not big like staal so wen he gets hit its big. I don’t see St. Louis getting murdered all the time
by jerry6racing on Jan 18, 2012 1:33 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
So long Sabers....Orpik and new most hated team.
Orpik is defiantly a villain to the Cane fans. Yes, it looked like a legal hit. My first reaction was that of he better get suspended for that! Then after a few replays I thought he was just a prick.
I think somebody should have instantly taken a run at him… Nobody ever took liberties at The Great One without immediate consequences. The league is forcing that retaliation part of the game out. It was nice to see Allen go have a chat with him after the penalty, but more needed to be done. I understand doing your part to separate a guy from the puck and limit the scoring chances but it looked over the top and unnecessary. You would think that more care would have been taken. I dont know, I probably would love Orpik if he was on the Canes. I just felt disgusted last night after that it carried into today.
Bottom line…. its a legal hit, but not a particularly clean one, I dont think it was super dirty either.
More troublesome than the hit was the Fans reaction. Im from Pa originally, yes really. I have to say that both Pilly and Pitt fans (any sports) lack class and are generally labeled as such. People say “oh, they are so passionate”, “Oh they just love their team.” Love and passion doesnt provide free passes to yell rude and derogatory comments at a fallen player. I could clearly hear many upsetting comments being yelled at Skinner while he was laying on the ice and also while he was walking down to the locker room. Passion? I think trash and a complete lack of respect. You would think that of any fan base in any sport that the Pens would respect and even have worry and concern come over them at the sight of a Star player getting hit in the head or a dangerous hit such as last night. Nope, not these fans they chastised and belittled Skinner. They even carried the disrespect into the shootout.
To take this one step further a few of my friends back home called to give me hell about the call. Haha all the while giving Skinner a hard time and calling him a baby. Im shocked.. and I guess i shouldn’t be.. I would be a rude and unhappy prick if i lived in that dump too.
Sorry if you disagree, and sorry if you are upset at my post. Its not for anybody to get upset at. I think its more about me to venting and maybe a little therapy too. I do feel like I have the right to say what ever i want about PA since I lived there for my first 25 years! Anyways you should only have a problem with my post if you were there yelling dumb stuff and if that’s the case we should meet up as I have a few things I would like to share with you.
Well I agree with you on the point that you’d think the Pens fans would be a little more in tune to head injuries. The guy who saved hockey in Pittsburgh is having a tough go of it with one, and for the rest of his career they’ll all be holding their breath every time Sid gets a hard pop. If I recall my past news story memory correctly “Super” Mario has been a bit of a hypocrite about the whole thing.
Many Pens fans are just bandwagoners anyway. I doubt the true, passionate fans were saying anything about Skinner.
But I agree. Someone needed to take a run at Orpik and I only saw Allen push him into the boards once. Staal, Sutter, and Jokinen all had prime opportunities that I remember to bury him, but they all shied away. Someone just throw him into the boards!
Awesome, fun game to watch
Pluses:
- Skinner not brain dead
- Jokinen looks like he’s involved in games again on and off the puck
- Ward is back on his game
- Allen playing like he wants to stay a ’Cane
- 1 point in standings
Minuses:
- Orpik still allowed to walk the earth
- Joslin underwhelmed again
- Staal in shootout
- Staal losing possession to Malkin RIGHT AT THE NET DUMMY! geez…
- Dwyer missing on 2-on-1 breakaway
"I need to make sure I don't get too frustrated and stay focused on my game...The points and the offense, you have to believe, are going to come." - Eric Staal, 11/6/2011
Yes it was a fun game to watch.. well till the Orpik hit.. then I had a hard time with it.
Fun post! I like the Pluses and Minuses!
by RobbinDollar on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Go to NHL.com and take a look at that Malkin goal again. Puck is bouncing all the way. Staal’s mistake was to not out his body between Malkin and the net and assume he had control. But this is still a bad angle for Malkin. Why did Cam not challenge and why did he go down.
I hate Orpik as much as anyone. Cole is a friend and still think that hit on him was as bad as any from behind that I have seen and he could have crippled him. But hit last night was just a good hard hockey hit. You can’t expect to skate with the puck and your head down and expect the other team to say…. sure just take the time and space. Jeff knows this. He knows it was a good hit and it was as much on him as OrDick.
I watched the hit a number of times and concluded that basically if it were a clean player, I’d have been very scared for Skinner, but not angry at the hitter. Given Orpik’s history, I still have no doubt he was trying to injure Skinner. More importantly, it continues to point out why the Hurricanes need a big, fast, skilled player like Chris Stewart who fights and hits like a freight train. The fact that Orpik had a relatively easy game after the hit is bad news for Skinner and the other smaller forwards. I am not talking about dirty hits in retaliation; but having at least one more forward in addition to Ruutu who can make devastating hits will calm down opposing team’s desire to take on Skinner. If Malkin were legally decked, the message would be far clearer that those kind of Orpik hits are not without consequence.
Skinner had his head up he knew the player was there he was trying to be fancy. I don’t know y every 1 says he had his head down. He tried to poke n sidestep but orpik was to close
by jerry6racing on Jan 18, 2012 4:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
jerry…. Skins had his head down while he was reaching and then looked up and he saw Orpik at the last second but it was too late. I’ve taken that hit a couple of times under similar circumstances. It is a players role to keep his head up ALL the time. More than once every player has probably heard from a coach, " keep your head up son". Skinner has pretty much said the same thing when he was interviewed.
I have to disagree with you here. The reason why there was no retaliation is that it was a 1-1 game so you can’t be selfish and every Cane knew it was a good hit.
You are assuming that Orpik wanted to “hurt” Skinner. He is an aggressive player and his job is to separate the opponent from the puck. Also to send a message that you will pay when you come down into his space. That is hockey. Gleason, Allen, Harry…. they all would have made that hit if it was available. Heck I wasn’t a dirty player but I would give that hit if it was there. Hockey is a collision sport. It comes with the territory and you give no quarter and take no quarter.
Never thought I’d ever be defending a player I can’t stand but in this case it was a good hit. In fact there should have been no interference penalty. Normally you still remind the guy that if you hit one of ours we hit you or one of yours…. but you need to play smart if you want to win the game.
One of these days we are going to play the Pens and be up 5-0. If it is pretty much the same players as the current roster then I think there will be some interesting moments with Mr. Orprick.
Skinner
I’m still quite concerned about Skinner, although the news that he skated today has me relieved. It looked to me like he was dizzy and having a hard time standing up after the hit.
"If you can't beat 'em in the alley, you can't beat 'em on the ice." Conn Smythe
by Winter is Coming on Jan 18, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions
From Chip
Skinner said he stayed down on ice for a few moments to collect his thoughts after the Orpik hit. Called it a “pretty good hit.”</blockquote
After what he has been through I think he would know last night whether it was a good idea to come back or not.
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Old time Hockey
Back in the 60’s and 70’s when I started following the sport in Philadelphia, the way teams handled players like Staal and Skinner being targeted is to retaliate against the aggressor AND the opposing team skill players. Nobody (and I mean nobody) touched Bobby Clark and Bill Barber on the Flyers.
The next time we see Pittsburgh, Malkin and Neal should get some payback. Unfortunately, with this group only Gleason and Jay Harrison really seem to get it.
by JohnSS on Jan 18, 2012 3:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
you got that right !
saw some get a puck in the face when Clark was taken to the boards not hurt mind you but a good body check..t was a canadain player who did that ..and for the life of me i can’t remember the guys name…I remember it took 12 stitches to close up the wound
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Drop-back passes
Sort of an aside, but related to the game last night:
Has anyone else noticed a drastic increase in the number of drop passes our guys have been attempting lately? I feel like they’re showing up in all kinds of situations, smart or not. It may just be the guys having fun and trusting each other more, which is great. But I wonder if it’s more than that and the coaches are trying to train the guys to use them more.
Does anyone who attends team practices have any insight on this? Does Muller just love drop passes or am I merely seeing the inevitable results of multiple guys actually getting across the blue line together more often?
drop pass
I’ve noticed it lately to and in the first it was working pretty good. I loved the canes play in the first, thought it was 1 of their best periods of the year even with only 1 goal. I had never seen them pass that well. Great future coming with the Canes
by jerry6racing on Jan 18, 2012 5:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
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