Carolina Can't Stop Tavares: Islanders 5, Hurricanes 2
by Bob Wage on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM EST
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PrintJohn Tavares scored two goals and chipped in with two assists as the New York Islanders defeated the Carolina Hurricanes, 5-2 in front of 15,575 on Tuesday night at the RBC.
In the first two periods, the Canes were off to a bit of a slow start, with the help of four penalties called against them. The visitors held a 2-0 lead going into the third period and were outshooting the home team by a 18-13 margin.
But Carolina would come roaring back in the third as they tied the game after scoring twice early in the period. First, Brandon Sutter lifted a perfect backhander over New York goalie Kevin Poulin. Poulin looked very strong in this game and made a couple of key saves throughout, but he was never really pushed hard in this one.
Tim Brent evened the score with a powerplay tally at 6:55 into the third when he banked the puck in off of an Islander player from behind the net.
It looked like the Hurricanes had all the momentum at that time, but Tavares came right back the very next shift and beat the defense down the ice for an open chance at Ward. He made no mistake and netted the game winner.
The Islanders would score two empty-netters to seal the deal in the final minute and a half of the game.
The Canes will travel to Boston tomorrow for a game against the Bruins on Thursday night.
Game Notes:
- Eric Staal had a couple of nice moves and good chances but he could not beat Poulin. The Carolina Captain finished with a -3 for his trouble.
- The team was outshot 26-23. Brandon Sutter had a team high six shots on goal. He also had four of his shots blocked.
- Anthony Stewart and Andreas Nodl each had a team high three hits. The team had 15 for the night compared to 23 for New York.
- Jay Harrison had a team high four blocked shots. The blueliner was second with 23:03 of time on ice. Justin Faulk had a team high 25:10, but finished with a -2 on this night.
- The Canes won 55% of their draws. (Staal 57%, Sutter 43%, Nash 43%, Jokinen 86%)
- Carolina has yet to win a game this season when trailing after two periods, (0-14-2). The team is (1-13-0) when trailing after just one period.
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“The Carolina Captain finished with a -3 for his trouble.” ….. for two empty netters and stepping on the ice to replace Sutter just as Ward turned the puck over.
“It looked like the Hurricanes had all the momentum at that time, but Tavares came right back the very next shift and beat the defense down the ice for an open chance at Ward. He made no mistake and netted the game winner.” That’s a hilariously inaccurate description of that goa.
Deadlines
A bit harsh on a late night Bob, but how about:
Cam Ward stepped out of the crease to play a bouncing puck and took a swipe at it with all the grace of an American league pitcher swinging at a knuckleball. He fouled it off to an Islander who fed said puck to a cherry-picking Tavares. Bryan Allen managed to get a stick on it, but it wasn’t enough as a lunging Cam waved buh-bye to the puck as it sailed in to the all too frequently available glove-hand top-shelf.
by drifterscape on Feb 1, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
I thought the same thing when reading the game write-up. Omitted a small detail like Ward coughing up the puck for a simple goal and costing the team 2 pts. As we said at the game, he doesn’t cost us many so you just have to deal with it.
I would say this loss virtually guarantees Ruutu is traded today or tomorrow. Excited to see what he brings back, would love to see a 1st + Jonathan Blum or Roman Josi out of Nashville.
Ruutu is a perfect fit for them, the best rental on the market, and they need to make that kind of statement after Suter’s recent “I will sign if I see an effort made to contend” quotes.
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 2:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Completely agree with you on that being a desirable return, but do you think we need another defenseman? I know, this is something you can never have enough of, but wouldn’t this create a road block for Murphy, Dumoulin, and Sanguinetti (if he’s givena chance). Also we have Lowe, Alt, and Biega a few years out.
I wouldn’t be against it because Blum and Josi are studs, just would prefer a forward and a first; but then again the Preds don’t have many that are truly what we’re looking for. I would take Colin Wilson, Craig Smith, Taylor Beck, or Austin Watson. all 4 are the kind of hardworking, hitting, yet talented forwards we need and the Preds are always known for drafting.
Both Blum and Josi are extremely defensively responsible and block a lot of shots. Each has serious top-4 potential and are stuck low in Nashville’s depth chart (they are very good at finding D). I’d take either and ship out McBain for a forward in a heartbeat.
If Wilson or Smith were available, they’d be great. But there is no chance they part with one for a rental (4th and 5th top scorers on team).
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 6:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I completely agree with you, but if it meant getting one of those forwards along with a 2nd for Ruutu instead of the 1st I’d love it. I just think acquiring either Blum or Josi creates a log jam for us unless we move McBain out, which I would be in favor of if it meant getting Blum or Josi.
Love the trade speculation, great time of year.
You could make that deal because...
We have Allen and Vosachek who are UFA’s and more then likely will not be here. Plus rumor on TSN is that Canes would shop McBain and Pits for a top 6 forward.
Agreed that Ruutu would be a great fit for Nashville. The have the D and goaltending to make some real noise in the playoff, maybe Ruutu could be their missing piece on the forward lines to really make them a serious contendor in the West.
I don’t know much about Blum or Josi but a 1st and a good prospect/roster player would be fine with me.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Feb 1, 2012 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think that JR needs to get some good, NHL-ready players back in some of these deals. This offseason is going to be pivotal in terms of season ticket holders renewing. I know quite a few long-time holders and all (including me) are seriously considering pulling the plug on this trainwreck. I’ve got to think that a significant portion of the base is in that camp. Trading for 2nd round picks that may pan out in 2-3 yrs isn’t going to convince folks to stroke that check this year. They also won’t have that “playoff ticket” hoax that they have had in the past.
Nobody is giving good, NHL ready players for rentals. That defeats the purpose entirely for a team gearing up for a Playoff run.
Best we will get is an NHL ready prospect with solid potential like Blum or Josi (just examples).
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have no fear. Ruutu will net at least one elite prospect (think Zibanejad, Tarasenko, or Kuznetsov) and a 2nd or a 1st + a high end prospect.
He will bring back extreme value. Almost every pundit has said JR’s asking price is enormous, somebody will pay it eventually.
Now, Allen and Spacek…. that is 2nd or 3rd round territory.
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What does Allen make? If he could be resigned for a decent price I would just as soon keep him as trade him for a 3rd round pick. History tells us that will net a depth player in Charlotte at best.
What might McBain net in a trade? Is there any value there for another team? Maybe a fresh start scenario? He’s a wreck here.
If you’re looking for a corollary on what McBain would bring I’d look to the deal that sent Joni from Philly to Edmonton to set the range. Joni and Sanderson and a 3rd for Jason Smith and Joffery Lupul. Smith and Sanderson sort of netted out, although I think there may have been some what of a salary swap involved there. Still it was roughly Pitkanen and a 3rd for Lupul.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
I really
Wouldn’t have an issue rooting for Nashville in the post-season this year. Why not? They’re in the west, they’re pretty close to us. And if Ruutu goes there, all the more reason! Would love to see them do well.
Here's to a successful 2012!
by truheelzfan44 on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Brutal Start to the End of the Season
Last night for me epitomized why this season has been a flop. The Hurricanes came out less than flat at home after a week of rest. That rustiness was present, too, in the Phoenix v. Anaheim game I watched on Center Ice after coming home from the RBC. Sutter tried to bring the team back. Skinner and Brent managed to tie the game. There the Hurricanes were with a point available at minimum. Cam Ward, who was the model of inconsistency during the first third of the season, botched a simple play and the game was done. So it is with the Hurricanes. As Cam Ward and Eric Staal go, so go the Hurricanes. Ward tends to be binary. He is either brilliant or he is outplayed by a goalie brought up from the AHL for his first game. When he is brilliant, he is sublimely skilled and among the truly elite goalies. When his is off his game, even for a play or two, he looks like a competent back-up goalie. Prior to this game, Ward was spectacular in January.
The season has long been over as far as the playoff hunt. In some ways for me, it can’t end soon enough. I’d take the Hurricanes present position of 28th out of 30th. I’d rather see Jim Rutherford make his trades now so the team that will begin 2012-2013 can start to gell. This team all in all despite moments of looking like a team just lacks something intangible. For most of January, I saw a team with the potential to be good in 2012-2013; but last night reminded me there is still a sizable distance to go.
Lack of Scorers
No doubt about it. The Hurricanes roster lacks natural goal scorers. It’s why I prefer having Dalpe on the team. It was quite a contrast with the Islanders who had a multitude of young, fast, natural scorers coming in waves at the Hurricanes.
Yep
Two issues…. We just don’t have the scoring forward talent right now. Staal is still struggling but at least creating chances. Sutter looked great, but will never be a 30 goal scorer—which is fine, but he’s looking like a solid third line two way center who will be a threat.
Second issue last night—and is common in our losses—was very little of our forwards going to the net/crease/slot area. We had guys throwing passes to the net all night with no one there. All we wanted to do was play pass the puck. We had rebounds off shots, but very rarely had anyone in position to do anything. No screens….No traffic…. So if we don;t have the sniping presence—we don;t. We need to go to the net. Sadly, Rosie did, and he always does. Wish the rest of the forwards would consider that ionstead of falling back on defense when we have the puck, or going behind the line instead of going or staying at the net.
One thing I noticed during the game last night was how the Islander players would set up in front of the goal when Tavares had the puck below the end line. They were spaced out and ready to receive a pass. It resulted in one goal and at least 2 other scoring chances for the Islanders.
Now compare that to the Hurricanes. Staal had at least 3 similar plays where he had the puck below the end line. I noticed that the other Canes forwards were bunched close together. I think 1 real scoring chance occurred, LaRose whiffed on 1 shot, and Ruutu didn’t get a good stick on 1 shot.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
"Anthony Stewart and Andreas Nodl each had a team high three hits. The team had 15 for the night compared to 23 for New York. "
Glad that Gleason re-signing has impacted the overall team toughness. We are balancing on the precipice of joke status once again, ’Canes fans. Oy vey…
"I need to make sure I don't get too frustrated and stay focused on my game...The points and the offense, you have to believe, are going to come." - Eric Staal, 11/6/2011
just for clarity’s sake, Gleason had over 18 minutes of ice time and NO HITS. My guy LaRose went 14:13 TOI, -1, 2 shots, 0 hits. These are the guys setting the tone in the locker room. Not good….
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
Next Year's All Star Break
If I were Muller I would have told all the boys in the room not to make any plans for next year’s all star break because we are going to do conditioning work every day. I think they earned that based on how they reacted to the time off this year. If they aren’t mature enough to get back to work once the vacation is over then no vacation time is earned. I also suspect that they will do a good bit of skating today to get their attention.
Also, does anybody else think that McBain has become totally expendable? For a couple of years I felt like he was making some progress towards being a solid 2-way D-man but he looks absolutely awful this year and even worse after Muller took over. If there is one guy I would like to see gone it would be Jamie. I know that D-men normally take a little longer to develop but at this point I’ve got to think that we are seeing the best he has to offer and won’t improve any further. The guy on the ice wearing #4 last night was nowhere near an NHL-caliber D-man and we simply don’t have enough around him to cover for all of his lapses and soft play.
agreed. if he looked like that against detroit, boston, etc. it would be one thing, but this was against the islanders. pretty poor showing all the way around.
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
McBain is becoming obsolete with our defensive prospects and he is just outright bad. He’s a RFA after this season and I doubt he will be given a qualifying offer.
I’m pretty sure he will be given a qualify offer to at least retain his rights so he may be traded for something.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
I just must be watching an entirely different game….McBain played very solidly against the Isles. He is, without a doubt, the best d-man with his stick on the team, the best. His positioning last night was also very effective. Jamie gets in most of his trouble when he has “Oh ****” moments when his playing partner strays or misplays (yes I’m talking about you Joni and you Derek)…instead of playing his position and his man, he over thinks and gets caught in-between, neither playing his man or committing to play the other forward left alone by his straying partner.
I hear the kudos for Faulk and the “almost no NHL experienced” Murphy and am baffled. Faulk makes more mistakes than McBain, is nowhere near as steady with the puck, and his first pass out of the zone is not nearly as accurate or well thought out. Sure Jamie McBain still makes mistakes and he’s never going to be “Mr. Physical”…but he’s an offensive weapon and solid in his own zone. Give the kid, who is still learning the NHL game, a chance. You don’t draft and develop Top 4 blueliners that often and as a small market team, we must or we’ll never have a good backend.
Hurricane9 – still not sure what you were replying to….my point is that I think Faulk is an outstanding talent, but for all the praise, he still isn’t as good as McBain. Will he get there? I think so and probably then some. He has the potential to be part of a top pairing some day, worst case he’s a Top 4 guy. I believe that even with his occasional error, McBain is a Top 4 guy right now; he proved as much when he was paired with Pitkanen. There seems to be a local pastime that involves identifying and commenting on Jamie’s every mistake: small and meaningless as well as major and serious (although those are very rare). CC is filled with these comments. I watch nearly every game, been to several live, was a one-time season ticket holder. I fully admit that I like McBain as a player. But the extent that he gets called out is not in any way, shape, or form, consistent with his actual play. Add to this, he’s never complimented for the numerous solid and outstanding plays that he does make. So yeah, I tend to defend him and minimize the compliments paid to the likes of Murphy and Faulk. Take the Isles game for instance…as flawed as the plus/minus rating is it does have some value…Faulk was a minus 2; McBain was even. Today, Jamie McBain is a much better all around player than Justin Faulk. I believe that in the long run Faulk has a higher ceiling, but that doesn’t minimize the value of McBain to this organization. Ultimately, if things play out, I believe we’ll see Pitkanen, McBain, Gleason, Faulk, Harrison, and a UFA next year. I still believe that Ryan Murphy is a year away. Soon enough, something wil have to give on our blueline with guys like Dumoulin, Levi, Alt, and Biega in whole or in part showing up in Charlotte next year. Keegan Lowe will try and shoulder into the picture. We also have guys like Kvisto, Rissanen, Jordan, Krueger, and Sanguinetti in the picture as well. All in all is it a very crowded blueline in our system.
One of McBain, Murphy, Faulk, and Sanguinetti is redundant…we’ve got some assets to work with, come on Jimmy, get ’er done!!!
You realize Justin Faulk is, in fact, our #1 D right now right?
He has the most TOI per game of any active D, plays heavily on the PK (McBain almost never plays the PK and Faulk still has more PP and ES TOI), draws far tougher assignments than McBain, has a superior shot and PP QB abilities, plays 1000x tougher than McBain (not very hard to do), isn’t afraid to go hard into the boards to get a puck from an opposing forward, and is already a more complete player at 19.
McBain might have superior stick checking ability, that is pretty much it. Faulk doesn’t need to use his stick, he uses his body and still maintains solid defensive positioning when doing so (most of the time).
McBain is not a top-4 D on this team by definition. Gleason, Faulk, Harrison, and Pitkanen all play more minutes than him, these are our top-4 D. At best he is our #5 and I think you could make a solid argument that Allen has played better this year.
I’ve stayed relatively quiet since the exit of Mo. Have enjoyed Muller hockey for the most part.
Last night was a disgrace.
I am in Par Shooter’s corner, but we should of had a mini-camp this break…..not like we had anyone in the AllStar game anyway. The Isle sure did not look rusty….they kept coming and coming.
I’m like AD….the end of this cannot come fast enough…..let’s just tank the rest, get a good draft pick, bury him in the AHL, and trade him for a 4th rounder…..
I hope PK is enjoying all that money he is saving. He’s won his one Cup and simply does not care anymore.
I knew we were done when I heard that JR interview at the Checkers game. Completely avoiding every question asked about the state of the Canes.
Please trade Ruu….I would like to see him have a shot.
+1
Ruutu could really bring a lot to the table for a contender. As someone brought up before, if Nashville added Ruutu, perhaps they find an extra scoring touch, and also appreciate the grit and toughness that Ruutu brings in the physical side. I just want the guy to have a shot to really have a nice post-season run. Just hope we’d be able to resign him after this season. =p I don’t know, but as many stated before, the return that Ruutu could yield really makes me salivate, as much as I love the guy.
Here's to a successful 2012!
by truheelzfan44 on Feb 1, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Ruutu
I’m not quite sure why everyone seems to be thinking a team would be willing to give up a 1st and a top prospect for Ruutu. Maybe I’m missing something on value, but a guy who has never scored 60 points and has only played in a full season (77+ games) 3 times in an 8 year career doesn’t scream top prospect and pick for me. He’s under performing this year with a .5 PPG pace. He turns 29 in 3 weeks. And while his style of play can be great for a team, when he truly plays “his style” he has a knack for getting injured.
On Nashville, a team known for its offensive inadequacies, he would only be their 9th leading scorer.
I’m not saying he can’t net a good return, but I highly doubt you get a top prospect like Zibenejad or Tarasenko and a first. I would think one of those players straight up or maybe a 3rd rd pick with them would suffice, but Ruutu is not a guy you build around. He’s a great complimentary piece; a 3rd line with 2nd line flashes for most teams. I think to net a first and a top prospect, you would have to add a prospect like Boychuk in the deal to sweeten the deal for the other team.
Ruutu is a fun guy to watch and I love seeing him on the ice as a Cane, I just think that he is being overvalued in trade ideas.
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Completely see your points, I think though the reason most people assume Ruutu’s return will be high is because of the fact that he will be one of the pieces available for a team to acquire, so the thought process is that a team would “overpay” by some standards, at least that’s my take. Sort of like how the Gleason signing takes one of the top d-men potentially being “shopped” off the market, and in turn likely up’s Allen’s value, should the Canes look to go that route. If a team like Nashville was very desperate to add support scoring before the deadline, they may go crazy. Potential cup runs do a lot to the mind of a GM, methinks. Just my two cents!
Here's to a successful 2012!
by truheelzfan44 on Feb 1, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Check out this link to the deadline deals last year. The following players brought back a first round draft pick:
Mike Fisher brought back a First and a conditional pick in 2012.
Dustin Penner brought back Colton Tuebert, a first, and a 2012 3rd.
Kaberle brought back a 2011 First, a 2012 conditional, and Joe Colborne.
Versteeg brought back a 1st and a 3rd.
I don’t believe Versteeg or Penner were UFAs after the season, but the rest were. Ruutu has value equal to Kaberle and/or Fisher. He is also the best forward on the market. This is why he will bring back a good return. It’s not about overpayment.
Now, if the Canes had extended Allen and then traded Gleason we would have seen some over payment because the fall back for many teams if they didn’t get Gleason would have been Allen. Taking Allen off the market would have definitely brought some teams out of the woodwork to overpay for Gleason.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Nice link!
Here's to a successful 2012!
by truheelzfan44 on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Good research
But Kaberle is a defenseman. That’s an unfair comparison as the market value for a puck moving D, especially with Kabs resume at the time is nowhere near a guy like Ruutu.
Fisher seems like a fair comparison. He’s been around a little longer but has the same knack for injury and 40-50 point seasons. The one big advantage he had going for him is that he’s a natural center and can win draws.
Versteeg’s value was in that he was undercontrol and younger than Ruutu. Same style of play, just different circumstances.
Finally, the Penner deal should be stricken from the records. The deal was widely panned at the time and now is seen as a complete waste. That was desperation at it’s finest. Penner was seen as a size and skill guy that maybe could work with Kopitar or Gagne, but to expect idiocy like that again would be wishful thinking.
Fisher’s deal could be a good comparison, but once again, it’s a single first round pick and a conditional 2012. There is no mention of a top prospect. The 2nd is not even guaranteed. If a team was willing to offer that, would the fanbase be happy with that haul? Like a few other posters have said, how many picks can the Canes amass without getting NHL type help at some point?
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
One, the Kaberle deal is a fair comparison because it shows that the top players at their positions bring in high returns.
Two, you can go back to 2010 and check those deals out as well.
Kovy brought back a first and a boat load of players.
Or 2009.
Olli Jokinen brought back a first.
Comrie and Campoli brought back McAmmond and a first.
In 2008 Campbell brought back Bernier and a first.
As far as amassing NHL talent, who says these deals are singular? There will be teams looking to shed salary at the draft. Coming in to that with a lot of chips will allow the Canes to do something. There’s also JR’s asking price for Ruutu, which is reportedly 2 firsts. However, remember back to the Whitney issue when the asking price was a first and a second. The deal with the Kings was for Tuebert, a former first round pick, and a second round draft pick. Just because the asking price is being stated in terms of first round picks doesn’t mean that what will return will be actual first round picks. It may be prospects who were formally taken in the first round.
If you’re still looking for established NHL talent then you need to stay abreast of the rumors LeBrun has out there about Joni and McBain being moved for forwards.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
oh god please don't mention the whitney debacle
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
by Capt. Stinky on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Just using it as an example to show how JR negotiates and what he trades for. As I told Sittler on Friday in our conversation on another topic here, I do not care to re-hash the Whitney issue. It happened and it’s over with. I only point to it as a historical precedent and not something that needs further analysis.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Rumors are rumors
And I don’t want to sound like I’m picking a fight here. I’m just stating that Ruutu is being overvalued in my opinion.
Ruutu is not the top player at his position. He’s a good player, but I’d take Ray Whitney if I’m a contender looking for a rental. To cite deals like Kovy or Jokinen is reaching. Kovy is Kovy and Jokinen has two 90 point seasons under his belt. And Kaberle is still not comparable due to the fact that Boston had Toronto’s extra picks to work with (Kessel) and D-men are still valued higher than wings.
I can see a team sending a first round pick, but to say that we should expect a first round talent and a first round pick would beat most of these deals.
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t deny that JR’s asking price is high. I honestly think the final value may come in at a first and a second with potentially a sweetener thrown in from Carolina. But as far as overvalued, I’m not sure where you get that from. He’s going to be the best UFA on the market. That alone has value.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
The best UFA
I get that. But the trade details are what I’m talking about. I’ve been reading so much that says the Canes should get a first round pick plus a top prospect or more. He’s going to get his money on the UFA market, but that doesn’t equal to what a team will trade for a rental. You posted a lot of good arguments and I thank you for the quick research. I’m more or less wondering why people seem to think that he would equal a Kovy type haul. He doesn’t score as much a top-6 forward and he makes too much for a 3rd liner. I’m just trying to hear some different opinions.
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
And also
Zach Parise says hello to top UFA
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Parise will not be traded while NJ is still contending. Ruutu is the top offensive UFA built for Playoff hockey. Points aren’t everything, teams notice he is one of the top hitters in the league.
Also, please read posts before quoting them. Nobody said Ruutu would bring an elite prospect like Zibanejad AND a 1st.
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have no fear. Ruutu will net at least one elite prospect (think Zibanejad, Tarasenko, or Kuznetsov) and a 2nd or a 1st + a high end prospect.
I believe a high end prospect and a first would mean exactly what I paraphrased. I was just using your quote as a general point, not picking on you in general. I’ve seen the same type of proposal multiple times and was looking for more opinions as to why people felt this way.
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Elite prospects are top-10. Tarasenko, Z-Bad, Kuznetsov, etc.
High-end prospects are top-50. Blum, Josi, Dalpe, etc.
Apologize if that wasn’t clear.
Any market is supply vs. demand. The goal for teams is to win a Cup and Ruutu is the best rental available, a perfect physical top-6 winger/center built for Playoff hockey.
Normally would he be worth so much? No. Are there teams probably willing to overpay if they think they have a serious shot at winning it all or signing their franchise players long-term (weber/suter). I’d bet so.
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I should say top UFA available at the deadline. I don’t foresee Parise being made available by the Devils.
I don’t think Ruutu will bring back a Kovy type return. Kovy was Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier and a first. Ruutu is not bringing that back. However, I do think the proposed Whitney deal is comparable. Tuebert and a second is roughly the same value I think Ruutu will bring back.
Right now JR is looking for 2 firsts because he can. Someone may decide it’s worth it to pay that much for Ruutu right now so he is part of the new team for a longer period of time. Teams can wait and hope the value gets lower at the deadline, but the longer they wait the more teams are able to absorb Ruutu’s price which ups the chance of someone jumping in to grab him.
Think of it this way, right now you’re neighbor’s house is on the market for 10% above market value. On the one hand you’d like to get it done with some you don’t have to deal with open houses next door. On the other hand you’d like them to get asking price because that comp next door will increase your property value. This is what’s going on right now with Ruutu. The price is high now but not astronomically so that people aren’t coming to the open house.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Good analogy
I see the point you’re making. Like I said, I’m just looking for some opinions as to why everyone seems to think his value is higher than I see it.
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
You know, one thing I’ve never asked, and I should of, what do you think Ruutu’s value will be on the trade market? Maybe you’ve posted it elsewhere and I missed it, but I’d be interested to see what you think he will bring back.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Funny
I just posted a dream scenario below.
If I was a GM, I would value him somewhere in the good prospect + 2nd rd pick range. Or a first straight up with a conditional third.
Example: Ruutu for Josi and a 2nd
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, I’d take that deal as well (my offer was Josi/Blum + a 1st)
There is effectively little difference between the 25th and 55th Overall pick.
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see where everyone is coming from
But to overpay that much would more or less be more harmful to a team like Nashville than the expected benefits. Ruutu is not going to score 20 goals and lead a team to a cup final. He’s a nice add-on to fill a role, but he’s not a do-all, fix-all type of guy. Also, I’d have a tough time seeing Nashville deal Josi when he’s seen as possibly the fill-in if Suter leaves. He’s got a cannon and can skate and play D. If they offered him, I would jump on that as soon as possible and start shopping Allen and McBain. Josi could be a top-2 guy with Shea Weber-lite skills. Just look what he was doing while Weber was out. The kid is loaded with skill. Pair him with Faulk and you could have a Weber-Suter type pairing of our own in a year or two.
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville is only three points removed from being the best team in the league. There goals against is fine, but the place they need to improve on is offense. Guys like Ruutu have a skill set that makes them very valuable in the playoffs. He can play any position which means he is insurance for injuries that will crop up. He is defensively responsible which is much more important in the tight playoff atmosphere. He can bang and go to the high rent areas of the ice which is more important in playoff games as many more goals are scored from this area in the playoffs. Bringing in Ruutu really helps round out Nashville’s top 6 and gives them the chance to compete with Detroit, Chicago, Vancouver and St. Louis. It may also be enough to get them out of a tough 4-5 match up in the first round and take the Central.
As for Suter and Weber, Nash has $33M committed in salary next year. Signing both to $7.5M contracts only puts them at $48M, the current floor. That’s plenty of room left to fill out a roster, especially if Radulov comes back.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Exactly. In addition, Nashville HAS to bring in this kind of talent to show Weber/Suter they are serious about being a contender. Both have said as much in interviews, they will sign long term when they are convinced the team is dedicated to winning. What better move than to bring in the best rental available?
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I also think that bringing in Ruutu could help Nashville in gettin Weber and Suter signed for lesser values. Maybe $7.5M as opposed to $8 for Weber, and $6.5 as opposed to $7.5 for Suter. That extra $1.5 M can have a profound impact on the cap, just ask Chicago and the impacts that extra $1.5M they had to commit for screwing up the offer sheets.
I also think that bringing in Ruutu and going deeper in the playoffs, which will be very difficult in the west this year, also helps the team bring Radulov back in to the fold. The guy technically has a year left on his ELC, although there has been talk that Nashville will offer Radulov a new contract if he comes back next year. Adding Radulov to the core of players Nashville has right now would be a game changer. Lidstrom’s days in Detroit are numbered. Bringing in Radulov, who has been an MVP in the KHL, could really elevate Nashville to a true contender for the cup.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
There's a possibility
But there’s no guarantee he signs with the team he gets dealt to. Personally, I’d love to a team overpay to get him.
I’d love to see a dream scenario like:
Ruutu and Larose to NSH for Josi and a 1st (Grit and some scoring touch)
or even just Ruutu to NSH for Josi and a 2nd
Larose and Boychuk to FLA for Howden and a 3rd
Allen to DET for 2nd or Tatar
McBain to EDM for Paajarvi (swap under-performers)
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’re on to something with the Ruutu and LaRose deal. LaRose with an extra year and a reasonable cap hit may make that deal go through.
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Nashville needs secondary scoring plus a proven playoff guy
Larose would give them a 3rd line scoring option that can go on a line with Kostitsyn and Smith and put up some points while adding some scrap.
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
That would give NSH
Legwand-Erat-Hornqvist
Fisher-Wilson-Ruutu
Smith-Kostitsyn-Larose
Spaling-Tootoo-Yip/Halischuk
Not too bad when you consider Pekka Rinne and Weber/Suter would still be back there
by The Gottfather on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds good to me… getting rid of LaRose’s contract frees up his overpaid contract (2nd year is higher actual salary) and a spot for a young gun. More an added benefit than an negative.
by JussiJuice on Feb 1, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Radulov is rumored to be heavily pursued by CSKA Moscow who can afford to pay huge dollars to bring in one of the best players in the KHL.
They need to buy better aircraft first, or they won’t have a reason to play there but more money after the Locomotiv disaster which hurt the KHL in attracting top players back from the NHL imo i think Radulov will be back in the NHL next year ,and if the Preds had him this year they would be a Ruutu away from winning a cup.
“we should of had a mini-camp this break”
You need tom read the Collective Bargaining Agreement. The All Star break is mandated time off for the players.
Not sure if the game was a disgrace but we sure only played 20 minutes of good hockey. if Mo were still here we would have blamed the coach that.
Like many here
I too was and am very disappointed…but it is what it is..I had to smile sadly that Muller is looking tired already…so and if anyone ever says being a NHL coach is easy needs to look at the coach of the rangers,preds and wings & boltz…it can and will suck the life out of you…with that said..the coach can only play with what he has…yes changes do need to be made..aside from Ruutu and package him up with another may help..but over all the canes play and act like a patchwork quilt…a scrap here,a swatch there ..and with that..will any STH worth their salt be willing to continue to paying for that kind of team ? Again NOT being ugly..as i still have hope asnd faith as we know the players are doing the best they can…but at times are very organized on a consistant basis ..and that is a management problem…almost like a political thing of Top down,bottom up 7 inside out..PK & JR we all agree have to do something…but will it be enough for the STH’s to want to continue to be so…thanks Bob and everybody…lets go to boston kick some bear butt to work out the fustration for losing last night..Go Canes !!
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This team is on the rise
No question….the Hurricanes are emerging from the valley on the way to a rise in success that will last for a while. I am convinced that JR and the coaching staff are quietly and methodically changing the dynamic guts of this team. Yes, signing Gleason was part of that move. Keeping Larose in the proper role is another good sign, and getting value for a great player like Ruutu, or locking him up now, will be more evidence of dyametric change. It starts with leaders and we have a solid core of leadership beginning with CKM.
Go Canes!
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
Just a note – LaRose played on the 1st line last night. I assume that isn’t the “proper role” you were referring to. I was pretty dismayed that Muller moved LaRose up and Nash down in the 3rd. It was a trademark Maurice move.
It’s not a Maurice move, it’s a coaching move. It reflects who the best players on this team are. LaRose, though he never should be on an NHL team, is one of the top 6 forwards this team has including most of the boys in Charlotte.
Many criticized Maurice for LaRose’s slotting. Those same people now tend to cheer what Muller has done. However, Muller also slots LaRose in a similar role. If a disliked coach slots LaRose somewhere and a liked coach slots LaRose in the same place is it not now time to re-examine our assumptions? Namely, that LaRose isn’t one of the top forwards on the team or that LaRose is stealing time from a young player. The actions of the two coaching staffs are not consistent with those assumptions. As a matter of fact, the actions of the coaching staffs are in direct conflict with the assumptions that LaRose isn’t one of the top forwards and/or that LaRose is stealing the spot of a young player.
It’s time to recognize that JR is the architect of a turd. Whether it’s JR making faulty moves or PK not giving the team enough money is up for discussion. It’s also time to recognize that LaRose’s slotting is not in fact the cause for the Canes troubles, world hunger, and the inability of the Isreali’s and the Palestinians to come to a peace accord. He is a symptom of the team being a turd and the inability of the organization to draft and develop forwards. This is why I play Temple Run in my seat during games or play with my Daughter and don’t generally post any longer. This team sucks just like the 2009-2010 team did, just like the 02-030 and 03-04 teams did before them. Quite frankly it’s said that the 2005-06 season that was canceled has been the teams third or fourth best season in the last 9 years.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
I am sure you are glad you got that off your chest : )
Agree with all you said although not in the same fervor. I am going to grade JR on how well he reacts to this mess and so I give him a pass somewhat until about 20 games into the new season. However, if he makes some obvious boneheads decisions between now and then in my opinion he will not get my vote…….
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Feb 1, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve actually got a rather long post in my head about how he could address some items over the next couple of months. There is potential out there. I’m trying to let it coalesce in to something more coherent and then try and find the time. Today worked out well because I’m waiting on some data and can’t really do anything so I’ve got an hour to kill. Not sure I’ll have time to get to it before the next week or so, and it really needs to get out before Ruutu is traded to be timely.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Better hurry….Ruutu may be gone before you know it. Looking forward to your thoughts……
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Feb 1, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I just don’t have time, and I can’t get it coherently set in my mind how I want to put it. Too many things and not enough time. Today has been nice because I’m waiting on data and have some time. Plus, I can talk about the deadline, which I love, and not the team, which is not pleasing to me at the moment. I’ll try and use your comment as motivation.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
hurricanefever, what do you think of JR’s move to keep Gleason? bonehead, non-bonehead. IMHO, I think it was boneheaded insofar as we could’ve used him to start blowing up the team and starting with a whole new attitude. If last night’s turd on the ice was an indication of Gleason’s leadership JR thinks he brings to the team — again, 18 minutes TOI, no hits — we’re in trouble.
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by Capt. Stinky on Feb 1, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Are you going to analyze his play throughout the entirety of the contract because you didn’t like it?
by jbcanesfan26 on Feb 1, 2012 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it’s fair to ask these questions. Gleason cost 4 years and $4M and won’t bring back any trade value this year. Allen could have been given 2 years and $3.5 per and still allowed the team to trade Gleason. Quite frankly Allen has been a bit better than Gleason this year. Why not go with Allen, save some money, and up the price it will cost to get Gleason? Given this alternate path I think it’s perfectly valid to give extra scrutiny to the Gleason deal and how he plays.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
I think that Gleason has played much better in the time under Muller than he did at the beginning of the season. I think that’s a good sign. He’s not at the Olympic level that he was at a couple years ago, but i’m fine with his contract. An average of $4 million a year is a decent contract for a defenseman these days. He brings leadership on and off the ice, and having veteran leadership on a defense that will have many young defensemen over the next 4 years is important. I like Allen, and I do think he may have been the better choice, but I see why the Canes gave Gleason an extension.
by jbcanesfan26 on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m still a bit undecided honestly. I’m going to wait and judge everything JR does between now and the start of the season next year as one act. The Gleason extension doesn’t mean JR automatically gets an F from me, but it doesn’t mean he gets an A automatically either. Like I said though, given the divergent paths that could have been taken here, I do think it’s fair to give this extra scrutiny. It’s a good test case and I think there is a lot to be learned from it.
To me, it’s in many ways similar to the events that transpired between July 1 and the Kaberle signing in early July of last year. Alternate paths were available and the team selected one and it turned out very poorly.
Stinky’s methods are not the same ones I would employ, but I do think it’s a good discussion to have. It’s quite frankly one I’m having with my wife right now knowing that invoices for next season aren’t that far off.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
I understand that. I guess I just choose not to scrutinize and criticize his play on a game-by-game basis. Whether the deal is a good idea or not, I like that fact that JR was willing to negotiate mid-season. It shows me that he’s willing to change his ways to try to get the team to the playoffs in the future. Of course, the players that he needs to sign the right players, but i’m willing to give it a chance before I decide how I feel about it. The more I think about it, I guess I see both points of view.
by jbcanesfan26 on Feb 1, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of course, he needs to sign the right players*
by jbcanesfan26 on Feb 1, 2012 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hi Cap…..
I was initially caught off-guard by it and did not like losing what he could have yielded in a pick and prospect. But the more I thought about it the more I liked it and here is why. The market told JR that they were not willing to pay what he wanted for Gleason probable early on. It took some time to yield a contract so I am thinking JR made this decision a week or so ago from the announcement. What has happened is JR got that stay at home D who can be either a 1st pair or a 2nd pair at probable what the market would have paid anyway. The difference is rather than spend time going out and getting a Gleason clone he decided the possible slight upgrade he MIGHT could have gotten was not worth the RISK to take a chance he could get one. From that standpoint, if it happened this way it was a good decision. Bottom line…….I like it and it gives structure on the back end that JR can then build the rest of the D around.
As far as that pick and prospect……those would help down the road….maybe 2-3 year. Gleason helps now and next season. No brainer for me.
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Let me add another couple of thoughts here about the Gleason trade…..
JR pulled the trigger on Gleason which is not a bad move. We get someone who has been a KNOWN quantity so there is no second-guessing about any new talent possible play.
JR also might have pulled the trigger on Gleason to send a significant signal to the teams interested in Ruutu…..“Do it my way or I might do something you do not expect” kind of signal. He might get a tad more for Ruutu now……even Spacek and Allen if he is inclined to do so. Interesting effect here.
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Feb 1, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
good insight. if JR did not like what he was being offered in return, then re-signing a known entity like Gleason makes some sense. Unfortunately, we’ll never know what was offered and was wasn’t. all i know is, the first game after the organiZation shows A TON of faith in him — going out of character and negotiating during the season, no trade clause, decent salary — Gleason logs 18 minutes and no hits whatsoever. To me, on the surface, that smells pretty bad. I guess proof will be in the pudding next couple of games, but I did not like how the $16 million man played last night, that’s for sure.
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
Eh
In his defense…Nash imho will never be a top six forward. And he will never be good enough offensively to replace Sutter as a thrid line center who can score. So at best he’s a fourth line center for us. He showed no offensive addition in his role, Ruu and Stall were not working well this game…. So He put Skins and Fins back together—which made that line look better than it did with Nash. left a hoel on Staal’s line then: WHo to put?
DIdn;t want to break up Sutter’s line—they play well together and scored a goal….. SO a 4th liner. Apparently no one likes Stewart so that left Rosie. Rosie at least went to the net which few others were doing last night.
But it highlights the what I considered a poor JR comment: That Nash was more NHL ready than Dalpe. Not imho. Dalpe showed better scoring and passing in the O zone, better speed. Yes he needs more NHL seasoning/work to refine his game, which I think he would find with more time. But he was hurt.
Bowman should have been called up—he has some offensive potential and is a good all around forward. Nash I have not been impressed with.
Exactly…regarding the proper role. I am in LA right now and had to miss the game, but saw the low TOI (unofficial via a post here) on Larose and assumed he played 4th line minutes. I still think Muller is trending towards placing players in proper roles. Look for guys like Nash etc..to slot up the longer they are in Raleigh. I may be off on my assessment, but I see the perplexing Mo moves tilting away and the bevy of Larose types being eventually dwindled down while being replaced with higher upside potential players.
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
It was a trademark Maurice move.
Maybe MO and Muller are professional coaches for a reason.None of those lines were doing anything last night for the first two periods. Sutter seemed like the only player with any jump so why go in the 3rd period with the status quo? Chaning the lines at least changed the mojo for us to score.
one thing about rosie, he underwhelms on any line he is on
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
by Capt. Stinky on Feb 1, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
He really didn’t when paired with the Adams’ in 05-06.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
that says a lot about the adams boys
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
by Capt. Stinky on Feb 1, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Ruutu
Ruutu’s game was off last night from what we have been use to seeing. He is distracted and I honestly cannot blame him………all signs point to something happening soon. I wish him well and hope he wins a cup!
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
Was thinking that too
It has to get into your head when you know you might be in transit to a new city before you go to sleep later that night.
Here's to a successful 2012!
by truheelzfan44 on Feb 1, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
as long
as he doesn’t go to boston or buffalo or tampa bay, I’ll be happy. otherwise, I’ll be yelling BOO-tu whenever we play them.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
Maybe not so new thoughts but I'm a new poster
I have read Canes Country and everyone’s comments for quite some time, and I am a STH. Last night’s game finally prodded me to join in the posts. I grew up on Long Island and in my former life was an Islanders fan – but no more, of course. The garbage that I was witness to at RBC last night was even worse than the January 3 shootout loss. I truly felt like a part of a total loser organization when five minutes after Brent’s goal, with Tavares having already slipped through our defense for another winner (see the away OT loss), they loudly and proudly announced Brent’s goal and assist stats. Seriously…the game just turned on a dime courtesy of Ward’s bizarre play, and the announcer is celebrating old news and we’re supposed to join in? Just post the info on the board and be done with it.
OK, that all aside…Long Island Newsday’s article on the game said it all: “Too bad the Hurricanes don’t have Tavares.” Nine of his 53 points have come against the Canes. I have read many times that the JR’s grand plan is that the W’s will come with the entire team bringing their A game. Folks, it’s not going to happen. Unless and until they get an All Star, a Tavares, someone who can put his team on his back and create that goal or assist, this team will remain a bottom feeder. Last season, the Islanders were an embarrassment; I actually felt sorry for them when the Canes racked up five or six goals, seemingly at will, in one game. I for one would trade this season for last year’s in a minute. Is anyone enjoying this season more? And isn’t it amazing to say that?
So, am I reading too much into a single game? Has this team really improved over last season’s Mo version? I concede that there appears to be a good deal of potential with the younger talent. And I would be willing to remain a STH for another season. But if this is the type of product that continues, next year will be it for me. Mind you, I’m not demanding they make the playoffs; I just want a product that reflects some value for what I’m paying. And a reason to think the games mean something. When the whipping post Islanders come to own the Hurricanes after three games straight, something’s got to give.
Agree
As C-Leaguer mentioned above, under Mo we’d be saying this was another example of Mo not getting these guys ready to play. Muller has shown he does do that. yet the team was not ready. That tells me there is an issue with the core of this team. ANd that makes me question the wisdom of Gleason’s signing. I’m not againt it, I’m not for it. I’m abivalent.
Personally I’d have rather signed Allen for two years and got as much as we could for Gleason at the deadline. Given all his comments of not wanting to move family, we could have gotten him back…
But that’s the issue. If it isn’t the coaches, it’s the core of the team. Gleason is part of that core as an A wearer. Stall came out slow but eventually he played better, but as a C wearer, that shouldn’t happen. But Gleason had a totally non-visible game. Only Sutter seemd ready and willing to come out hard and play 60 minutes.
Given that, I’m leaning more towards bigger change. I’m OK with losing Ruutu now. I still would’ve liked Gleason to go. The more our core changes next year, the less likely (especially under this coach) that these types of efforts wold be repeated next year imho.
The team needs a top six forward, needs two if Ruu goes. But we need a change—Rosie isn’t the team presence JR thinks if he and the rest of the so called leaders (c’s and A’s) accept this type of game from themselves.
so 80 onI40, as a STH, are you lining-up to renew for next year with an owner who won’t spend money and an uber-loyal GM/part-owner who seems to fancy loyalty over performance?
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
“Lining Up” implies I’m counting down the days to write another check. Not at all. I’ve loved hockey all my life and professional sports in particular. So I will renew on the oft chance this goes somewhere with the Faulks, the Skinners, the Dwyers, and out of curiosity for the draft picks. The following year? No improvement, no dice. This all reminds me of something that happened in the 70’s with the NY Giants, pre Parcells and Lawrence Taylor. Throughout a particular game, someone flew a plane repeatedly over Giants Stadium with a sign that said: “Twenty years of lousy football – we’ve had enough!”
Maybe hanging a banner across Wade Avenue??
Frustrating game to watch on many levels
I have long given up on this season from a standings perspective so just looking for some hockey. Hard to find last night.
The boys did not play well for the 1st two periods but when you are short handed 4 times and the other team none, it can mess with the flow of your game. Bad officiating did not lose the Canes the game but the officiating was notable more for the non calls than what they did call. It was just an oddly officiated game. For me the most notable non call was in the last minute when Brent was battling along boards. As he reached for the puck the Islander defender reached with his hand and pulled him up short. It was an obvious hold and simply had to be called. To make matters worse the puck the got to an open Islander who put it in the empty net. So instead of a 6 on 4 with a face off in the Islander zone and enough time on the clock it is a two goal lead and game over.
This was also a game of momentum changing mistakes. Team is pushing and then Nash is in the offensive zone with his stick at shoulder height. Nothing good happens when you are trying to stick check high and the Islander player hooked his stick with his free arm and suckered him into a penalty. Rookie mistake and veteran move by the Islander. Then with the game 2-2 and momentum all our way Ward takes a low percentage chance to play the puck. If there were an NHL award for puck handling by a goalie Wardo would never be in contention. Huge game changer at a bad time.
No one seems to want to criticize Skinner. In my opinion one of his worst games. That slashing penalty was selfish. Is it is nice to have your opponents stick in your crotch playing pocket pool?…. not so much. But Skins knows the drill. You twist and drive and you don’t even have to dive. You almost always go down and it looks like an obvious hook. Not that many D use that tactic any more for that reason. And Muller needs to sit Prince Jeffrey down and remind him that all good offensive players have to play though extra attention. Every top player goes through it game in and out. Why should he be immune. Mostly love what you brings Skins but you aren’t an 18 year phenom anymore. Start acting like a grown up pro.
Why the coaching staff thinks a defensive minded forward with limited offensive skills is a good fit with Skinner and Jussi is a mystery to me. Just as much as slotting LaRose back with Staal. I know, I know….. here I go again bashing Rosey. Look, I love his energy and his aggressive play. And many will say he was one of the few that went to the net hard….. agreed. But at this level you don’t grind through the slot with your stick waist high. It is physically impossible to get it back down in time to take a hard pass and get a scoring opportunity. Twice Staal busted his butt to dig the puck out behind the net and made the perfect pass to LaRose in the slot and he missed it for that reason. Sorry… in my opinion he is simply not top 6 forward material when you desperately need a goal to tie. Over the final 10 minutes I’d have tried Brent there, double shifted Sutter, or even Stewart who is flaky as all hell out there but at least he goes to the net with his stick down.
I was looking forward to some good hockey after the All Star break. Would have been better to stay home and watch another game on the NHL package.
Agreed – especially about Skinner. I love the kid’s game but that penalty he took last night was dumb and selfish. Far too much whining and waiting for calls from the officials at times for me. I’ve seen Staal bashed to no end here when he takes a dumb retaliatory penalty and Skins is doing the same thing at times.
Again, not trying to bash the kid but he needs fight through it – not whine to refs as much as he does.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
Hey, I’ll bash a bit…bad attitude on the penalty Skins. He’s young and he will get it, but that’s time when you let your play demonstrate your anger. Also, he has taken to often trying to do too much himself lately. I love the heart, drive, and skill that Jeff brings to the ice, but this is a team game and too often lately he’s tried to make things happen on his own when he should be working with his team and the system to produce shots and goals. Note to Jeff: “You’re never gonna with the 1 on 4”.
Skinner
Agreed completely, sittler. So many good passes across the slot wasted. No one ever there, or if they were there they weren’t prepared to take the obvious pass. Completely agree on Brent in at the end. I wasn’t a huge fan of his early on, but he’s consistently gotten better and does seem to have the right mentality.
Since Skinner’s been back, he’s seemed to me to be looking for penalties more often than he ever used to. The kid was always good at drawing penalties (some would say diving or acting) but when they didn’t go his way he just kept on playing. The last few games it’s seemed to me that he has a bit of a Staal-faced hissy-fit each time he ends up on the ice, whether or not it should have been called. I figure it could be a few different things: 1) frustration with the rest of the team, 2) feeling more fragile since the injury, or 3) poor leadership in the locker room leading to a “woe-is-us” mentality. I’m guessing it’s a bit of each, but mostly 3. Which is BAD NEWS if true.
Hope the next game is better, cause I too was missing hockey after the ASG, but damn this was not the start I wanted to see.
Nice……….Game of Thrones…….. Not sure I want to see everything in the books, assuming that was the reference.
I understand about Skinner and your need to say those things but I distinctly remember another whiner and complainer not too many years ago in his second season as a pro…..someone talked with him and he turned out pretty good………Sidney. Give him time……19 is still pretty young to get all your stuff together……..
Not going to talk about Rosey and the coach’s decision to play him and where……e’nuff said.
Overall observation about the game……on TV it looked like an intense and fast paced game at first but then slowed considerable in the second. Third period was legs, arms, skates everywhere by both teams but the Islanders played that style better than the Canes. It looked like the Canes had their legs but their brains were a bit confused how to think through that second move and third move before they make it. It looked like a lot more practice is needed or the distractions that Ruutu obviously had (being traded) during the game were also being felt and effected the play of others.
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Feb 1, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
"Prince Jeffrey" -- OUCH!!!
getting frustrated on a last place team with little prospects, eh, I can see that, although i don’t condone it. my thing with skins is his one-on-five mentality; at a basic level, you love to see that, but sometimes you need to gain the zone and wait for your linemates to get open, not take it straight into the defense, lose the puck, and have your linemates heading into the zone while the defense is sending the puck the other way.
whatever, he still is exciting to watch and is competitive on a team with its fair share of slackers.
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
Yeah, for every great individual play he makes when he takes on two or three people at a time there are 4 or 5 where he just skates into a crowd and loses the puck that leaves the rest of his line mates out of position.
He is exciting though and he’ll learn.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
i’d rather watch him try to score than watch rosie fail to score, if that makes sense…
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
Here's what Newsday said about last night's officating:
“Tuesday night, all four officials missed Hurricanes rookie Riley Nash playing the puck with a stick above the shoulders before Brent’s goal. And with a 3-2 lead in the final two minutes, Carolina had six skaters on the ice in the Islanders’ zone for a full five seconds.”
On the other hand, the Brent non-call happened right in front of me and was pretty clear.
The officiating had nothing to do with Tavares hustling down the ice while numbers 30 and 5 daydreamed…
My 3 Un-Stars from last night
1. Lack of overall talent on the Canes. If Tlusty or Rosey are your only choices for top-line LW, we are at a deficit.
2. Being away from Muller too long. Captain Kirk demands effort and attention to detail, and a week away from him seems to have let the Canes lapse into old levels of effort.
3. Skinner learning to be a pro. My wife and I have mini-STH and watch as much as we can. We both marvel when he crosses the blue line 1 on 2 or 3 or 4…and back we go the other way. He does need time to ripen and learn the NHL game, but I think he also needs a firm voice telling him that the unbridled creativity (he did have a couple of sick moves last night) has a time and place.
Love Sutter. Young man brings it every game. Brent understands how to work hard and achieve results. The Canes still feel a little fractured to me, still unsure of an identity. Staal is freaking cursed this year, nothing will go in.
I’ve never played hockey, but I have a question to those of you that have: it seems like there’s a lot of stick-work going on, especially against the boards…guys just chopping away, hoping the puck will squib in or out of the zone. Is there a way to combat this?
lay the body once in a while
dude can’t chip a puck sitting on his a**
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
I’m sure there are lots of ways to reply to your question and some of it is situational. When it is a battle for possession along the boards you pretty much use anything you can to move the puck…. body, feet, stick. It is hand to hand combat and ugly. The basis rule of thumb is that you lead with your body to either box out the opposing player and//or protect and advance the puck. You rarely pull up short and reach along the boards ( good way to get a one way ticket to Charlotte). Not sure if that is your question but in my experience battles along the boards are not a finesse activity.
thanks, sittler. One thing I have noticed is that Faulk does a good job boxing guys out and getting the puck and moving it. Staal also goes into the corners and comes out with the puck. Just a matter of strength and will?
Strength and will sure would play into it. For Faulk it is just great technique. I marvel at how well he plays along the boards and behind the net and at his age. Too bad he likely won’t be a Calder candidate because they look at big numbers first and big markets. But he does so many things really well at a position that is tough for a Rookie to play. Now if we just get him to shoot more. He has a really hard and low shot from the point.
skinner...
I love Jeff Skinner. I really do. So it pains me to say that he really needs to stop sitting on his ass looking for a penalty. He got lucky his 1st season. The NHL isn’t going to treat him like a complete star till he grows up a little.
Though I do think that the NYI player got away with a hook/trip, and they BOTH should have been in the box.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
My question about the 1 on 2, etc. is WHERE THE F ARE THE OTHER FORWARDS?
Hell, the Isle even attacked with three forwards all night.
I think our team changes too much. At least it’s not constant dump and chase….but geez….it’s seems like someone is always changing……can’t we have 3 forwards on the ice at the same time? Attacking the O zone?
Rapid change is simply hockey. Can you do a 100 yard sprint continuously for 60 seconds? No one can. They do well to push hard for 35 to 40 seconds and after that they are gassed and that is the way you get caught not getting back the other way.
The problem with Skins is that sometimes rather than dump and change with his linemates he tries to stay on that extra rush and then stick handles into traffic. That is bad because you are outnumbered and if you get stripped it is an odd man rush the other way. He did that for a while last year and then seemed to learn from it. Since he has come back he seems back to some bad habits. Don’t get me wrong…. he is an exceptional talent. But its a team game and even the best players know when they are spent and its time to dump and change.
the other thing is...
we only have 1 guy out at the blue line half the time we are in the opponents zone – and 1/2 to 3/4 of that time, they clear the puck out of the zone, b/c we have 1 of our 5 dudes not there to keep it in – yet every other team plays with 2 d-men or 1 d and 1 forward at the top and bottom of the blue line… :(
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
We Are At A Crossroad!!
This Organization is at a crossroad’s on which way they want to go as far as preparing for next season.
First off, JR needs to trade or not resign several players and bring up Dalpe, Samson, and Bowman. They have proven to fit under Mullers system. And why was Samson sent back down to bring up Nash. I would have brought up Dandanov. He might be the missing piece for Staal.
Second, It’s time to part ways with Tlusty, McBain, Stewart, and LaRose.
Third, How much will PK loosen the purse strings to bring in a top-6 forward. Right now the only name being mention is Parise. But I can’t see JR spending that kind of money on him. The price is 6-8mil. With a new TV and radio contract being worked out, how much is that going to go toward salaries. And where is the money coming from the investors going toward.
Finally, If JR and PK want to increase STH sales, it’s time to start shelling out the money to bring in another high end player here. We are to good of a team to tank the year to get a #1 pick. So along with a high end player and a good draft pick maybe that can bring in more tix sales. Along as we keep the same players, I wouldn’t be surprise if STH sales for next season are flat or down.
Finally, if the next goal of this organization is to be a playoff team every year, why don’t they start bringing in the pieces to make it happen.
by skinnerthewinner on Feb 1, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions
I say bring up the youngsters and see what they can do. Chris Terry had a very good game at the AHL all-star game, we haven’t seen him yet. I also think any one who thinks we are making the playoffs are smoking some funny stuff!! :0)
I always love this comment but it ignores both NHL mandated roster sizes and the waiver rules.
So there are only so many bodies a team can legally carry. Until mid March we could carry 3 extra bodies in the press box. ( after that there are more liberal rules) But who sits and who plays and what good does it do for the guys that sit. You can send guys down to Charlotte but most of your current roster players would need to clear waivers and then you could lose them for nothing. Also not good business.
I’m all for bringing up the youngsters but then who do you recommend goes and how? Its not simply that easy to play GM as to just bring up all your young kids from Charlotte. And by the way, the Canes have an operating contract with Kahn that also governs the orderly bringing up and sending down of players to keep his AHL franchise competitive and financial viable.
I don’t think I’m alone when I say that while I want to see young players getting a chance, this is supposed to be an NHL team, not the Raleigh Checkers (and at NHL ticket prices). Too much reliance on the draft and the AHL without replenishing the top lines with quality veterans and marquis free agents and moving out dead wood, well, you see where that’s gotten us.
Well I for one
Am kind of excited for the “Top Prospects Game” tonight! Anyone else planning on watching? I’ll hopefully be able to find a stream. Gives me something to do on a Wednesday night.
Here's to a successful 2012!
Bowman called back up
For Rosey’s flu hope he lights it up ,and yeah the top prospect game is on the NHL network at 10pm est…looks like 5hr energy tomorrow.
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