Clicks and Clippings: Muller mixing it up
The Carolina Hurricanes had an earlier-than-usual practice this morning in preparation for their game tomorrow night when the Buffalo Sabres are in town. The shoot-out loss Tuesday has led to some roster adjustments with Zac Dalpe and Derek Joslin assigned to Charlotte yesterday.
It appears Patrick Dwyer has not yet been cleared for contact (same for Skinner) which leaves the Canes with just 11 forwards. This opens the door for another emergency recall. Per Chip Alexander, the call goes to the Checkers captain, Brett Sutter. This will be Sutter42's first audition in front of the new Coach. We'll update this with the link when the Canes make it official. 5:25PM: It's Official.
Post practice audio from Coach Kirk Muller today - 4 minutes, including discussion of the who's why's and when's.
Canes likely to recall Brett Sutter- Chip Alexander, Canes Now ★★★★★ Muller had Staal centering Tuomo Ruutu and Jussi Jokinen, moving Jokinen back to a wing.
"We're trying to look at the options," Muller said. "They're three veteran guys and put a little onus on them to lead the charge up there, to produce as a top line. (Jokinen) has had some chemistry with 'Staalsy' and 'Ruuts' is playing harder. I think it's important that we establish that type of a line."
LATE UPDATE: Muller Will Get First Look at Brett Sutter - Tracking the Storm ★★★★★ Brett Sutter will be up with the big club for both games. With Sunday a scheduled off-day, news on Skinner or Dwyer’s return most likely will wait until Monday in advance of the Hurricanes’ game with the Philadelphia Flyers at home on Tuesday.
Jamie Kellner was at practice yesterday and put together a ★★★★ flickr photo set of the more informal setting at RCI.
Hurricanes send Dalpe, Joslin to Charlotte - NewsObserver.com ★★★★★ with attention paid to how the coach determines lines and TOI:
"I think the message overall is we've got to compete, we've got to compete hard and we've got to win battles," Muller said. "It's consistency that we're after. We've got to be a hard team to play against, with the puck, without the puck. One-on-one battles, everywhere on the rink."We can't have any exceptions. That's the way we have to play to get results on a consistent basis."
After the jump, Canes-focused news and links, including speculation on those players who are here now, but might not be by the trade deadline, checking in with Victor Rask at World Juniors, and a few other updates from across the puckwebz.
Catching up with the Hurricanes
AUDIO
- Kirk Muller on Canes Corner - WRALSportsFan.com Carolina Hurricanes coach Kirk Miller joined Mike Maniscalco on canes corner fromt he Backyard Bistro to talk abotu the transition to NHL head coach. 45 minutes ★★★★★
- Ron Francis - SPORTSNET 590 The FAN Toronto 7:40 - talks Staal and his linemates, Skinner, his own evolving role on Canes, living in Raleigh, concussions, and HBO's 24/7. ★★★
Plus some text
- Canes' Skinner back to practice - NewsObserver.com ★★★★ Jeff Skinner can't say definitively when he'll be back in the Carolina Hurricanes' lineup, back to playing in games.
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Dissecting the Shootout with Jussi Jokinen - Michael Smith, Tracking the Storm ★★★★ Jussi Jokinen is one of the best shootout specialists in the NHL.
- A little out-dated, but worth a read: Nodl getting comfortable with Canes - Canes Now ★★★ "I've never been traded before and especially coming to a new team (on waivers) during a season is pretty challenging," Andrea Nodl said. "You've just got to get comfortable again and make a lot of new friends and all that stuff. It took me a little while to get comfortable."
- December 2011 Monthly Report - Tracking the Storm ★★★★★ Looking back at December, a month in which the Canes finished 5-7-2. Far more than stats, but a succinct mid-term "State of the Team" from GM Jim Rutherford.
The Canes have a number of upcoming unrestricted free agents that have "rental" potential for Stanley Cup contenders. As the trade deadline nears and playoff races heat up, Rutherford suspects the prices for these rental players will become steeper.
View from the outside
- Caps and Canes: Coaching changes paying off? | Powerscout Hockey ★★★★ Interesting advanced stats take on the Hurricanes before and after Muller took over.
- Hometown story for context on Zac Dalpe 's development: Dalpe sets pace for the next wave - Brantford Expositor - Ontario, CA ★★★ Friday at the Brant Sports Complex, Dalpe was the veteran pro setting the example, as the next wave of young guns worked out with local hockey gurus Scott Rex and Paul Polillo.
- Following Justin Peters' season debut in goal vs the Penguins last week, one well-known goalie guru had this evaluation: Loss Aside, Peters Shines in Season Debut - The Goalie Guild ★★★★
I really like the way Peters moves in the net. He’s wider than he is taller, so his space management is fairly solid. It was really good in last night’s game, mainly due to the fact he was able to get to the top of his crease on most occasions. He has quick feet for his frame, which is essentially the most important part of quality in-crease movement. Everything in terms of his technique and performance came together nicely right from the drop of the puck, so he rode the wave of momentum throughout the night and finished as Carolina’s best player.
Prospects and the WJC
It's the Swedes vs the Russians for the 2012 World Juniors Gold Medal at Calgary's Saddledome Arena tonight. It'll be broadcast at 8pm ET on NHLNetwork. Victor Rask has not played a major role on the Swedish team yet, but still, it's a great experience and as a top center for the WHL's Calgary Hitmen, he gets some extra attention from local media.
- A LOCAL HERO PLAYS FOR GOLD - IIHF.com BLOG Born in 1993, Victor Rask may not get that much ice time and registered just one assist in five games, but he certainly enjoys the experience and might be back stronger next year in Ufa. ★★★★
- Video: 2012 JC - Victor Rask and Max Friberg, Sweden - Hockey's Future From the media scrum after the Swede' win in the seimfinals over Finland - to get to the Gold medal game. ★★
Plus: a nice showing in Charlotte from the Number 5 goalie in the system. John Muse, formerly the backstop at Boston College, where Brian Dumoulin still plays, has an AHL/ECHL contract and got his first AHL start in the back-to-back. As happens in pro sports, he, like Justin Peters, is a beneficiary of the Brian Boucher injury.
- Muse helps Charlotte even two-game series with Rampage | CharlotteObserver.com A stellar performance by Charlotte rookie goaltender John Muse and goals by Jerome Samson and Riley Nash allowed the Checkers to defeat the Rampage 2-1, and split their two-game home series with San Antonio. Pleased to note that John Muse was also named first star of the night by the AHL.
[rampant] Trade speculation
For those of you keeping track, there are 54 days or so till we know how this shakes out:
- Red Wings midseason report: Team in good shape - The Detroit News Trade deadline possibilities: The Red Wings have wiggle room to be major players at the trade deadline (Feb. 28) — be it another forward with size or scoring ability (Carolina's Tuomo Ruutu or Edmonton's Ales Hemsky ), a defenseman (Carolina's Bryan Allen ) or backup goaltender (New York Islanders Evgeni Nabokov ).
- Las Vegas Coyotes a longshot + 30 Thoughts- Elliotte Freidman, CBC Sports - ★★★★★
4. You guys love trade talk, so here's some: If you've got defencemen to trade, you are in position A. NHL general managers may sell their children for blue-line depth. One defenceman who appears to be available and will command interest is Carolina's Tim Gleason. "He's a good player," said one GM. Gleason is a UFA-to-be.
To which I say, between Keegan Lowe and Brett Sutter, Rutherford has already established precedent in concept. Does Holmgren Jr. even play hockey? And if so, how would he compare to one or more of Ken Holland's progeny?
- From last week, but still relevant: Staal deals with trade rumours, losing - Toronto Sun ★★★★★ When Eric Staal steps onto the ice against the Maple Leafs at the RBC Center on Thursday, hordes of television viewers back in Canada will dream of what the gifted centre would look like in blue and white.
- Time to dump Ruutu? - Matt Karash - HockeyBuzz.com ★★★ So I think it might be time now to cut Tuomo Ruutu loose early for a couple reasons...
- The Untouchables - Corey Sznajder, Shutdown Line ★★★★ Carolina are more likely to be sellers this deadline with the team being out of contention and having a few expiring contracts on hand but let's say there is a deal like the Erik Johnson/Chris Stewart trade from last year and the Canes do make a big trade, who would be on the team's "untouchable" list.
- Rick Nash would waive his no-trade clause if Blue Jackets wanted to move him | ProHockeyTalk A true captain knows when to fall on his sword if it benefits the team.
- Ducks GM says Selanne, Koivu are only ‘untouchables’ | ProHockeyTalk Yes, that means Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan could conceivably be had.
Around the league
Remember when we all cared about this?
Leading vote-getter Karlsson leads Ottawa's charge in ASG voting results - 2012 Tim Hortons NHL All-Star Game Ottawa dominates fan voting results, earning four ASG berths. Rest of the invites will be announced later this month. The events are set for Jan 27 to 29, in Ottawa. Yes there will be a fantasy draft.
Off ice considerations
Your HM special - from last night's local news: Hurricanes bonding over recent fatherhood - WRALSportsFan.com ★★★★★ WRAL's Mandy Mitchell spoke to several new fathers on the Hurricanes team and staff about how they are bonding over their new babies.
No further description needed - just take a look. Tumblr: He's Just So Thrilled ★★★★★ Eric Staal holds all sorts of things. (sticktap to Caniacgirl3016)
Because the Hurricanes came in second to only the NY Rangers, something to distract you or cause further consternation and debate: Tea with Ms. Conduct: Mirror, Mirror on the Wall… - Ms Conduct, Backhand Shelf ★★★★
But because we’re not just winging it here at Backhand Shelf — because we have integrity and we like to put numbers and facts behind our work — I knew I couldn’t just assume the Rangers were the most attractive team in the league. I had to make up numbers to support my theory.
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Brent has been a little disappointing to me so far this season. He was brought in for his face-offs and penalty killing but I don’t think he’s really done that good of a job in either. Maybe a bump up to the 2nd line gets him moving and playing a little better.
Also, what does AStew have to do at this point to get moved off the fourth line?
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
I just saw on twitter that Muller is referring to the Sutter line as the second line, so they’ve flipped those lines on the depth chart since I posted this. Which speaks to all the fluidity/movement and experimenting that is going on.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes…….as fluid as a waterfall for sure…….I can’t help but think these last several games are the “audition” for these players under JR’s watchful eye and not necessarily for Muller. Not sure how much longer this condition will last but Muller’s approach has certainly given most current roster player’s an opportunity to succeed or fail. The exception is Stewart and I am puzzled by that………….
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
We don’t know the inside dope on Stewart. How does he practice, does he listen, can he follow direction, etc. Either Muller is not a fan of Stewart, or he thinks Stew is capable of more and is trying to make him work for it.
It is certainly a mystery to folks on the outside……….you are right there has to be more behind the story since his production per minute of ice time is getting to be impressive………..
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
This is exactly the team’s issue. Sutter/Bowman/Larose makes a terrific third line, but as a second line, they are not so good.
Robert Kron thinks that Sweden has a real good shot to beat Russia for the WJC championship. Rask not putting up numbers but playing a real solid two way game. Robert likes the overall balance of the Swedes. But the Russians do have a handful of very exceptional players. It will be interesting to see if the Swedes can shut them down.
AD…. our bet may still be interesting. Kron was very pleased with the all round game of Hoffmann. By far the best player on a the Swiss team and has added physical strength. On a stronger team he would have turned heads.
Rask and Hofmann
All I read and have seen still has Rask ahead of Hofmann BUT Hofmann plays a fast, physical game; and when he gains some weight and strength he’s going to be a fine, fine NHL player. He reminds me of a young Ruutu.
From the bit I saw of Hofmann yesterday in the game vs the US, he reminded me of Bowman. Nothing particularly unique, but just his build and combined with speed, shot, attacking the puck.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 5, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sweden wins the WJC
It was an amazing game. Sweden won 1 to 0 in overtime. Rask looked quite good. Zibanejad won the game.
Ya know, it's funny...
earlier in the season when we saw this exact same kind of line shuffling to get “stronger on the puck”, that old chestnut, it was “Mo doesn’t know what he’s doing!” and now that it’s KM doing the same thing it’s him auditioning players for JR’s trade eye and for spots on next year’s team.
what a difference a couple of months make…same old ‘Canes, same old results, except now it’s okay…
BRING BACK MO!!!
I CAN'T BELIEVE STAAL FINALLY SCORED!!!
I am glad i no longer smoke or drink or inhale what Capt. Stinky does !!
Hehehe…but i feel your pain Captain..i feels yiour pain..but remember a NHL tam is NOT a bag of Micro wave popcorn ya know !! LOl man that has got to be the post of the week !! bring back Mo ???????????
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Well you have to figure the start of the season is different than the middle of the season but “strong on the puck” does endure…….
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Really kind of the opposite…. Muller left the lines as he inherited them. He instituted his system over time and it’s still a work in progress. As the player became more comfortable in the system, Muller has been able to see how these guys play—his way.
Now he has been changing lines—players are more comfortable now with his system, so he’s going to tweak lines to see how they can contribute. He’s also making changes based on effort, sticking to the system, and results. So, as Tlusty was demoted last game for what Muller has perceived as insuffucuent effort, it forces a line change to reinforce his pronciples and to get the rest to buy in and try to make it work.
It’s not the same as Mo shuffling the lines repeatedly in games becaue he has no other options in his repetoire, not the same as Mo dropping a prospect to 4th line after one mistake instead of giving them a chance to overcome, it’s not the same as breaking up lines that are working to try to get other lines working. Nothing is working right now. When stuff has worked, Kirk leaves it….
Great efflort to start the the year 2012 off with a
Royal Bang Miss Carolyn !! and i agree with Sittler27 of his take about Rask !! And seeing the swedes over all are playing as well as they are..it is surprizing that Rask even made the squad in the dirst place,but in the WJC one can’t be too complacent or not having a tool/playerlike rask..in a "just in case’ mode/option…Thanks again Miss Carolyn…and my wife and i agree with "sunshine’ !! LOL
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
This C&C is awesome just because it introduced me to Eric Staal holding things. So random yet so good!
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
we aim to please. Thanks to caniacgirl3016 – she had it all over twitter yesterday.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 5, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I so wish I could, but I just can’t take credit for finding that gem. That was all Jamie surfing the interwebs. I merely hightlighted one (or 20) of my favorites. :)
Frankly I’m sligtly peeved that I didn’t think of it first.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Ah – I came in late and thought you had initiated that stream. Still you earn points for highlighting.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 5, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
•Ducks GM says Selanne, Koivu are only ‘untouchables’ | ProHockeyTalk Yes, that means Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan could conceivably be had.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE JR; make a move to acquire Bobby Ryan! That will make my season (unless Staal, Skinner, Sutter, or Ward are involved in going the other way, anything else I could accept)!
Staal & Dalpe; The New Dynamic Duo or The Canes Crusaders!
Ducks GM said he wants a core player in return for a core player……..if we take that literally, then it limits just who goes back the other way…….Ruutu might be one…….. I am not sure JR is going to have the right kind of assets to make this happen……..but then again I do expect miracle from the man……….
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
What about Jussi & our 2013 1st + some through-ins? Anaheim could gamble that we will be bad in the new conference and we could gamble we wouldn’t with another high-level player. Just a thought.
Staal & Dalpe; The New Dynamic Duo or The Canes Crusaders!
Jussi and a 1st round might be a bit high….but substitute a 2nd round in that same draft perhaps that would get JR at the table. I would hold off on including a prospect until needed as a sweetener to make it happen. We trade up to a 1st line winger from a second line so we would have to replace Ruutu somehow.
The wild card is the Ducks said all 3 of that top line could be had (maybe this might be more smoke). If we offer a good deal for Ryan the Ducks may get a better deal for one of the other two………..about as complicated as it gets with JR working in the dark on what it would take to get Ryan. However, perhaps JR should go after Perry or maybe Getzlaf (although he is a center)……now wouldn’t that be something!
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Edit: meant Jussi replaced not Ruutu in first paragraph….my bad
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Anaheim needs some depth, so more would have to be included. It could be a prospect like Boychuk or maybe even a current roster player like a LaRose/Dwyer/Brent/Stewart. And while replace replacing Jussi would have to be solved, I think it is easier to replace him than finding a true 1st line winger. We could possibly even move Sutter up to the 2nd line center position and have to find a 3rd line center, which would be even easier.
I will add that Perry is not going to be available, no matter what Murray says. Getzlaf maybe, but Perry is not leaving Anaheim unless the trade is freakin HUGE!
Staal & Dalpe; The New Dynamic Duo or The Canes Crusaders!
Staal + McBain
For
Bobby Ryan + Cam Fowler + Peter Holland
They get a major shakeup core-for-core trade and add Staal to play alongside Getz/Perry (maybe makes Getzlaf more expendable) as well as McBain.
Canes dump Staal’s $9+ million moving forward, gain an offensive star in Ryan and a defensive star in Fowler (both signed long term), and add a high-end power forward Center prospect in Holland.
Staal is clearly the best player in the trade, but for the same money on a budget team I’d rather have Fowler + Ryan than just Staal.
by JussiJuice on Jan 5, 2012 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is definitely an viable option, but I would have a hard time swallowing that one. Also, that doesn’t address Anaheim’s issue of having no depth and no good defensive players (because McBain is not a defensive player).
Honestly, the Hurricane that would most likely help Anaheim out now and in the future is Cam Ward.
Staal & Dalpe; The New Dynamic Duo or The Canes Crusaders!
Staal is not going anywhere unless Staal wants to go……NMC in his contract. He has had two kids here, lived here for close to 9 years now, become part of the community with his projects and is JR and PK poster boy/man. Looking at it from the Canes side, if that ever happened it would be for likely more than what you suggest, although that is a nice package.
One thing not mentioned about Ryan is he has a reputation as somewhat of a party animal (maybe true, maybe not). In LA however, I can see that………. Anyway, I am not sure JR would put a “party animal” in the room if it were true. These are conversations only GM’s have………..
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan for LaRose straight up
I've discovered who that woman was having the heart attack when Staal scored: The Love Boat's Lauren Tewes!
Make it happen if you can……….
When able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was listening to the analyst/commentator for the Penguins today, Bob Errey, on XMHomeIce. He was talking about the needs in Pittsburgh to get them through. He said they’d be interested in someone to replace Maxime Talbot. Feisty forward, gets under the skin of the opponent with his on-ice chatter.
So yeah.
I wouldn’t mind at all if Chad LaRose went there. We’ll send him over for Jordan Staal, straight up.
Who’s with me?
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 5, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
+1 add several 0's
When able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
On a more serious point……..saw that the Rangers might be looking for a 3rd line left winger for debt and to boost their scoring as a missing piece to a cup run.
With both Pit and NY Rangers I don’t see JR sending anyone to these two teams because of the new conference, although anything is possible I guess.
When able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
That’s interesting point I hadn’t thought about – Same for Philadelphia then too.
But there is a history of trades with the Panthers (Allen, Stillman), Bolts (Jussi) and Caps (Corvo, Walker).
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 5, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yea……the two FL teams become possible trade partners but we are in the same boat with the Caps coming with us to the new conference so this may not fly. No…….I think with the new structure JR will find more willing partners and less complicated in the west……..and possible Eastern Canada…….
When able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 5, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I realize it goes against convention, but JR made trades with those Florida teams when the SEDiv was in place and no one expected change. Florida and Tampa already have been possible trading partners – there’s precedent. Rutherford apparently doesn’t hold divisional alignment as a significant criteria in determining trading partners.
Therefore, not trading with future conference teams (PHI, PIT, NYR) may not be an automatic “never”, especially on expiring UFA contracts (Allen, Gleason, Poni) since those players may not remain with their new teams next year, when the Canes join them in the same conference.
Does that make sense?
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 5, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it does………a perfect paradox for a conservative GM to go against the conventional wisdom of NHL GM trade theory. I personally would think this trade rule book should be thrown out as a Canes guide because of this new conference set-up and we have to fundamentally change the structure of the roster from defense first to up-tempo attack first. I am not sure how many trade rules (read risk here) JR is willing to break to accomplish this.
When able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Jan 6, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
LaRose: 10 goals, 10 assists, 20 points, first line winger whose spent time on the 3rd line this season, power play forward, defensive forward and PK specialist
Ryan: 13 goals, 8 assists, 21 points, first line winger whose spent time on the 3rd line this season, poor on the powerplay, below average defensively.
I’d say Anaheim would have to throw a 1st round pick in.
by hurricane9 on Jan 5, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The thing is; if the Canes actually do trade for a player like Bobby Ryan, if he works out well, then they have a bit more flexibility to trade a player like Staal down the road.
Staal & Dalpe; The New Dynamic Duo or The Canes Crusaders!
so we get ryan to play with staal and then trade staal? i’m confused
I've discovered who that woman was having the heart attack when Staal scored: The Love Boat's Lauren Tewes!
ba-dum-dum
I've discovered who that woman was having the heart attack when Staal scored: The Love Boat's Lauren Tewes!
What I was trying to say was that per JJ proposed trade, that doesn’t solve the Canes lack of talent issue. All we would be doing is replace our 1st or 2nd most talented guy with a 1st or 2nd most talented guy. Now if we acquire Bobby Ryan and had him play with Staal, then down the road Staal “COULD” be traded for another or possibly multiple talents and the Canes would then improve their overall talent.
I know this is confusing, it’s worked out better in my head than I can explain it through typing.
Staal & Dalpe; The New Dynamic Duo or The Canes Crusaders!
You guys are thinking too small...
Ward (yes, blasphemy!)
Ruutu
One of McBain or Faulk
One of Boychuk or Dalpe
2012 1st
for
Ryan Getzlaf
Bobby Ryan
Peter Holland
I’d even throw in another pick from our side…they get two core players for right now, two young improving players for tomorrow, and a great pick in a great draft.
We get two of the premier players in the Western Conference who are 26 and 24 respectively and a very solid, power forward prospect.
Sure it’s almost sacreligious to talk about trading Cam, but think about what the return is…we’ve got goal prospects in the system and it seems that one or two solid goalies are there for the taking every off season. I’d love to see a Top 6 of Staal, Getzlaf, Skinner, Ryan, Jokinen and one of Bowman, Dalpe or Boychuk…man that would be some serious firepower….
OK
Core player doesn’t mean Forward for Forward. Gleason and Stewart plus a 2nd rounder for Ryan: Core player (defensman they need) Depth player (good bottom six guy with size the Ducks like who can also score) and future player (another High 2nd Round pick).
They get two or more things they need. We get another top forward we need, we get rid of some of our surplus bottom six talent—they need bottom six and defensive talent…
They wouldn’t take Gleason now when they could just buy him this off-season or when they risk loosing him after this season. Im sure they would laugh at that deal. Throwing Stewart in there would be doing us a favor, he is a fourth line player on a bad team!
Being a seller means they would stay away from picking up expiring contracts since they will move some of their own. This isnt EA Sports, where you pick up somebody to trade them.
Think more along the lines of Brandon Sutter and Faulk plus our 2nd which I wouldn’t do but I’d guess the Ducks would jump at it.
You would have all the girl Canes fans crying it the streets if that one went down.
Staal & Dalpe; The New Dynamic Duo or The Canes Crusaders!
From the comments I have read here, many of the female Caniacs seem to like Sutter.
Staal & Dalpe; The New Dynamic Duo or The Canes Crusaders!
From the comments I’ve read here, and actually many places, many of the male Caniacs like him too – so I’d suspect most people, regardless of gender, would feel badly if he was lost via trade because he is such a valued member of the roster. Is that a fair statement?
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 6, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Haha yes :)
I would hate to loose him! Keep in mind he has produced more than Ryan Kesler did at the same age. I think he could develop into a top notch 70 point guy just like Ryan has.
I would probably disagree with that assessment. I think he is a very good player, but probably around a 50 point max guy whether he is on a 2nd or 3rd line. Of course a lot of that would be dependent on who his playing partners are. I consider him a Kesler-lite, Bergeron-lite type of player.
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Contracts can be extended during the trade process.
If the deal happens before the deadline, Anaheim still has time to trade Gleason away. He can be worth a core player from another team who is under contract.
Nobody picks up players to trade them later the same season. Its not NHL 2012.
Yes, contract talks can be discussed during the trade but be real, why would the Ducks give up a guy to get Timmy when they could get him for free this summer? Doesn’t make sense!
Gleason’s next contract will be signed during the summer when he is a UFA.
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The Hurricanes organization is not going to trade its core players, if history is any guide. The problem with the Hurricanes is absolutely not with Ward, Staal, Skinner, Sutter, Faulk, Pitkanen, and Ruutu. To the contrary, the problem is that the Hurricanes need more talent or at least to play the best talent they have. I would love to get Getzlaf, Perry, or Ryan; but unless the Ducks are prepared to trade for Gleason, McBain, and a first round draft choice, it isn’t going to happen; even if Jim Rutherford would make that trade. The Hurricanes would be better off ditching salary at the trade deadline and biting the bullet to sign Parise. UFAs don’t cost draft choices.
Yakupov apparently hurt his MCL in the gold medal game last night. I wonder if that is going to influence whether or not he is the first pick in draft. Rumors are also that Gleason’s and Allen’s stock is rising. If Rutherford can obtain another first round draft pick for Gleason or Allen, which seems high to me, or even second round picks and a prospect, the Hurricanes can continue to work on building the talent pool.
The problem with UFAs is the difficulty in trying to convince those players to come here. This area is often rough to get use to at first, but people grow to love it; would Parise even consider signing here, probably not unless the money was unbelievable. I really, truely believe that the only way for the Canes to acquire “real” talent is through the draft or via trade. Some trade will not work out, but sometimes prospects don’t work out either. The difference between the 2 is how much money to commit to them. If you trade for proven NHL player, then they play right away, and if they don’t work out, then you attempt to trade them again for some other value. When you draft a prospect, you often have to wait to see if they will work out. So you can be waiting multiple years (like with Boychuk) and still not even know what you really have. If they don’t work out, you usually don’t get as much value in return. I guess what really matters is how the Canes want to approach the talent problem. Do they want to bring in some players (possibly like a Bobby Ryan) and try to address the problem immediately? Or do they want to acquire picks and hope one or a couple of those players develop into quality NHL players? Both are viable options, but one method will give you an answer almost immediately; while the other could take 3 years to get the answer and it might not be the answer we all want.
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The only Reason Parise wouldn’t sign here is if he thought we couldn’t compete for a championship. He wants to win. being an American player, I doubt Raleigh would turn him off after playing Hockey in Minnesota and albany before going to Jersey….
It wouldn’t be because of Raleigh? Where’s that?
You have certain cities that draw free agents because of the atmosphere that city has; I love this place, but Raleigh is not really one of those cities. You have certain franchises that are always on the cusp of being in the Finals or they are often in the Finals; the Canes are unfortunately not one of those franchises. You have certain teams that are close to where that player is from and would love to play in front of his “childhood” team; not many players are from the Carolinas. Some teams will overpay to get free agents to come play for them; PK & JR have not shown to be that type of organization.
So explain to me why Parise or really any major free agent would want to come to Carolina? This is why I think trades are the major way we are going to get proven NHL players. They are traded here and some/many seem to fall in love with the area while serving out their contracts.
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I agree PP17!
I think Carolina has built a nice fan base and the area is wonderful place to live. I think some players would love the area more than others. Raleigh isnt a major Metro area so some might not want to be here. Raleigh isnt a big market team either and some people need that, others like the feel you get in Raleigh.
If we were a cap team instead of a budget team I think it would help. All players have to do is look how Staal has been treated the last few years and they know that the ownership group is not going to spend the $ to get guys in to help. Why would players volunteer for that when they have the choice to go to a bigger market.
Brandon Sutter’s dad coached Parise for a while. And didn’t MacLean coach Parise for some time? Plus Muller has ties to New Jersey. And Parise and Staal seem to know each other well. I remember a video of them together in a hotel room playing fantasy hockey from a few years ago, but that could have been set up of course.
Little things like these can influence a player to move.
Well, last I remember we were on Brad Richards list as a place to come to. We didn’t pay the money, nor would we have offered under our budget. But right there is an example of a fre agent willing to come here.
Doug Wieght waived his no trade claue—of course, as I mentioned it was to compete for a cup. If we are a competitive team, players will come here.
I understand there are cities like NY and Toronto that draw players because of the amenities. You’ve also got to realize some players are put off by those same cities….
My point was only referencing your statement that it’s hard to convince people to come here because it’s “Raleigh NC”. No. It’s hard to convince people to come here because we’re not a consistent playoff competitor.
We will not get people here only because it’s Raleigh—although clearly it worked for Corvo—but not for most players. Some players will only want to be bright lights big city guys. AKA Pronger (and his wife…). Others? Not the same—especially family guys. But it’s not a turn off for most either.
I didn’t say we wouldn’t get big free agents ONLY because this is “Raleigh”. I did mention other factors like home area, money, and the organization. I also did mention that when some players come here via trade, they grow to love it; like Corvo.
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by PackPride17 on Jan 6, 2012 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry PP17
You’re right, I read too quickly or misinterpreted the first time. You got the reasons in your first post. I.m not sure why I took it the way I did (i.e. my impression was why would anyone come here because of what Taleigh has to offer)
I see what you were saying—not an obvious draw city, and like I mentioned, not a cup contender in anyone’s eye’s right now, not a top payer of FA’s…. So yeah, right now good question—why would they come.
If the Canes do get a very high draft pick and JR can make a good trade or two with a UFA, the team may look more competitive to a perspective free agent. No way the team would be ready to compete for a Cup next year, but with Skinner, said high draft pick, Staal, an up and coming Faulk, and maybe a solid player picked up at the deadline, the team could look attractive enough to let the money do the talking.
I agree we could look more attractive but also there is still a few year development period… look at Edmonton. They are a few years off. I would say Detroit will be competitive regardless. So they would be more of a favorite for certain players and their choice of destination via UFA. History… who have we signed of of UFA? Any high priced players? The RFA Federov offer was more of a FU to the Wings from PK.
The team and the chances of winning have alot to do with ones choice of where a UFA wants to play. I would much rather live in the south than in the north… and Im from NY. Budget teams would scare me off.
Who wants to sign on a budget team and have mediocre success when you can sign on a cap team and more than likely be competitive year in and year out.
I agree that singing Parise would be a brilliant move. I would love that signing and it would certainly improve our team tremendously and for years to come.
The main problem is the competition to get the deal done. There were more than 6 very interested suitors for Brad Richards last year. Many of which came to him and pitched their offer. Look at the deal the Rangers gave him. The Ranger gave him a 9 YEAR $60,000,000 deal that pays him 12 million each the first few years. The cap hit is only 6.6 mill but initial cash out is the big part. Parise is younger and would figure to get a larger deal. The Canes cant pay that kind of cash out for any 1 player. We are very much a budget team and even more in the sense of the word that it isnt about the cap hit or cap space but actual expenses out. The new CBA might fix the circumventing that GMs have been employing lately but keep in mind that these deals are generally for older players.
Parise to the Canes… yeah would be great but I highly doubt it will happen. 1/100 chance even with the cap space we will most certainly have available next year. We will take the route Florida did this past year. Signing mid level guys for much more affordable contracts.
I honestly think that it is more likely we trade for a Bobby Ryan than sign Parise to a UFA offer. We apparently had one of the most substantial offers to the Ducks last month and were considered one of the front runners to get a deal done… then the coach got fired. I expect Ryan to be moved but if we land him who knows… If we get him It wont be for any of our pending UFAs. Maybe McBain a RFA might draw some interest but he would have to be coupled with Dalpe + some longer contracted players like Sutter or Jussi plus pick(s).
Getting Parise here is possible but not likely. Making a trade is more likely. Parise or Webber will sign in Detroit next summer.
Are team will look very different soon
I think Anaheim will want to much. We could land say a Nash out of Columbus for a few struggling prospects and a pick maybe?
I think we can give up a pick or a prospect or two for a player like that because we should get a ton for Ruutu, Gleason, Allen and maybe Ponk.
Dont understand why send down Dalpe just to bring up Sutter. Why not let Dalpe get more top 9 time. I thought he was doing well this time around.
Just dont get why the bouncing around is taking place when we clearly are out of the playoffs.
I don’t think Columbus is going to get rid of Nash for a couple of prospects & picks.
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Nash has said he is willing to be moved, so they may just try to move him out. He’s been rather disappointing recently.
The good thing about Nash is he makes so much $ that it could be hard for at-cap teams like Detroit or Philly to deal for him without gutting their existing team.
But he would be so coveted by a lot of under-cap teams that the bid for him could get silly like Kovalchuk last year. It would take something very creative to get him.
Detroit will be 23 million under the cap this summer, so it is very likely they will be players in the trade and free agent market this summer…..namely Suter, Weber, and Parise….so if Nash is not traded this season, but made available this summer they have the Cap Space to make a play for him, but not sure they have the can’t miss prospects that would acquire a player of Nash’s caliber.
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Not sure if this was said already but wasn’t Dalpe brought up from Charlotte on emergency basis?
yes he was, that is why he’s going back down. Silver lining is Sutter42 gets some Muller time. I bet poor Boychuk is wondering when or if he’ll get any.
Word has it they wanted a center who could play a hard-nosed game with penalty killing acumen (replacing Dwyer, and allowing Jussi to shift over to wing). Similar to Nash I suppose, but Sutter42 is definitely grittier and (IMHO) has more hockey sense.
Matsumoto has been a top guy there and probably has earned a look.
Boychuk would be the alternative for Bowman – or when there’s a top6 spot available.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jan 5, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Jussi has been taking one for the team by playing center. He has always clearly prefered playing wing. Has his goal scoring been hurt by playing center? I’ve never understood the no love for Jussi campaign. At $3mil/season for 4 more seasons he is not an easily replaceable asset at the same cost. Further he gave JR a hometown discount to stay here. JR knows that if he trades Jussi never gets another home town discount. Finns and Skins is a proven highly productive line, often the best line on this team. Using Jussi as trade bait to help Staal is simply robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Here’s the thing; if you help out Staal, then you help out the team. If Staal is going, that takes even more pressure off Skinner (when he comes back). It takes the pressure off the whole team. Jussi is a very good soldier, but his contract is quite friendly; which makes him attractive to other teams, along with his versatility. In a perfect world, I would love to keep Jussi and add a top 3 forward; but you have to give something to get something. And is Jussi really going to be the player that takes this team to the next level or is a player like a Bobby Ryan?
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Just a small clarification, we have Jussi for 2 more years at $3m, not 4. He’s in the first year of a 3-year deal.
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by Jamie Kellner on Jan 5, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Amen Miss Carolyn !!
A Double Bullseye too ! as that is how i see it as well !!
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Great C&C !!
Clicks and Clippings is getting better with each issue. Thanks for some great reading Carolyn !
Off topic I ran into this on CNN/SI’s website.

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