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Time for Youngsters to Step Up


For the past 2 plus years the Canes have struggled and have failed to make the playoffs. To remedy this failure us fans were told the team was going to get back to the playoffs through the draft and development of our young players. The team has drafted fairly well (better than average) as can be seen from the following history:

2011 - Ryan Murphy (12th), Victor Rask (42nd)
2010 - Jeff Skinner (7th), Justin Faulk (37th)
2009 - Phillipe Paradis (27th), Brian Domoulin (51st) (Paradis traded for Jiri Tlusty who was Toronto 1st round in 2007)
2008 - Zach Boychuk (14th), Zac Dalphe (45th) (Note: Boychuk's NHL stats through 2011 were 69 games, 7 goals, 11 assists, -2, 6 Penalty Mins)
2007 - Brandon Sutter (11th), No 2nd round pick
2006 - Jamie McBain (63rd), no 1st round pick
2005 - Jack Johnson (3rd), Nate Hagemo (58th) (Note: Jack Johnson's career stats through 2011 were 335 games, 30 goals, 93 assists, -86, 250 penalty mins)
(Note: Jack Johnson traded for Tim Gleason, Gleason was 1st round pick in 2001 (23rd)), Hagemo suffered a career ending shoulder injury in college and never turned pro.)
2004 - Andrew Ladd (4th), Justin Peters (38th) (Note: Andrew Ladd traded for Touno Ruutu who was 1st round pick in 2001 (9th))
2003 - Eric Staal (2nd), Danny Richmond (31st) (Note: Richmond traded for Anton Babchuk who was traded for Ian White who was traded for Derek Joslin)
(Note: Richmond received honorary Stanley Cup Ring from Blackhawks in 2010)

As can be seen we have developed several very good (even star) players such as Staal, Sutter, Faulk, Skinner, McBain, and Johnson (who turned into Gleason) and Ladd (who turned into Ruutu).

During the current season all of us fans have been crying for the team to play our newest draftees (Boychuk, Dalphe, Bowman, Smason, etc.). In my view it is critical that we do this now. This team according to management's own assessment is in need of at least the addition of one top six forward. There are four ways of accomplishing filling this need:

1. Finish so lousy this year that we have such a favorable draft pick that we can draft one in the first round. If that is to be the case, who should we draft if available to us? I don't know enough about them to have a valid opinion. From what I read the two Russians look the best. Are they NHL ready?

2. Trade for a top six forward. To me to improve the team we would have to be able to trade with a team that would take some of our youngsters (Boychuk, Bowman, etc.), bottom six forward(s), defenseman, and/ro draft picks in return. Who should we target if this is the route to take? IMO Rick Nash would be a good target.

3. Have one or more of the young forwards we have already drafted step up and become a top six NHL forward. We have played these young players with the Canes in short 3 and 4 games trials for the past two and a half seasons. To date none that have been called up for these short auditions has produced enough offensively to fill the role of a top six forward. IMO the one who has shown the most promise to be an offensive force has been Boychuk. I realize that for some reason he seems to have fallen from favor with management, but when he was up he showed offensive creativity and was a tenacious player. I personally wish Muller would take a look at him and give Boychuk a good trial run and form his own opinion as IMO Mo frustrated Boychuk's development with his sticking him almost entirely on the 4th line. This being said, I am becoming concerned that none of our current crop of prospects is going to pan out to be a scoring top six forward. What do you think?

4. Sign a free agent in the off-season. IMO this would be the easiest method if it could be accomplished. My concern is that the number of bonafide top six forwards that will be available will be slim, and in that field will be even slimmer when you weed out those free agents who will not sign here for any amount of money (Parrise for example). I am not aware of all the forwards who would be free agents, so I need your help here.

I do note that Jiri Tlusty appears to be on the verge of becoming a bonafide 20 goal scorer, but IMO we need to add another top six forward regardless of any further improvement on Tlusty's part. Also note that to me solving this need for a top six forward will become a severe probledm if we do not resign Ruutu.

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There is no way that you can convince an entire team of professional athletes, collectively or individually, to “tank” a season for any reason. That’s just laughable to even mention as an avenue towards getting better. We will be drafting in the top 5, so there’s a good chance of getting a top-6 winger that way. If they are NHL ready is of no consequence to me as there is no way of knowing for sure. Trust in your scouts, prioritize your needs and draft the player that meets your requirements. No draft choice is a can’t miss. For this reason I wouldn’t rely on the draft for the instant top-6 scorer we need.

Regardless of where we are in the standings, it will not be high enough to move from the sellers to the buyers column at the trade deadline. Minimally we will trade Allen and Spacek. I also feel (assuming Ruutu is re-signed) that at least 2 forwards will be dealt as well, with Stewart and LaRose as the most logical candidates. I don’t think we will take back any NHL salary in the trades, opting for draft picks/prospects in return, leaving 2 D spots and 2 F spots open. Joslin will fill one of the open D spots, with the other filled by a call-up or Pitkanen if/when he returns this season. The forward spots should be filled with any combination of Samson, Nash, Bowman, Dalpe for the remainder of the season. Based on the recent rotation of the call-ups, these four have the inside track on securing a spot on the team for next year. Of the four I think Bowman and Dalpe have the skill sets most closely aligned with our need for top-6 scoring. Having them on the team for the final month of the season should give them ample opportunity to prove they belong. Based on what I have seen, one or more of this group of forwards may make the team next year, but I don’t think there isn’t a sure-fire top-6 scoring winger in the bunch.

The unrestricted free agent pool isn’t very deep. Teams are trending more towards keeping their own (see Gleason and probably Ruutu). I don’t see anything happening with the Parise for the obvious reasons. I think he is the only bona fide game changing scorer available in the UFA market, so, again this won’t be the answer for us.

That leaves hockey trades, or trading for players for the now (as opposed to trading pending free agents or “salary dump” trades.) We will be heading to the draft with minimally 2 first-round picks, a stockpile of other picks, a bevvy of prospects in all positions that have some tangible nhl games under their belts, and some desirable assets at the NHL level. We will have the chips and the money to make legitimate offers for virtually any player we would target. Hockey trades at the draft will give us the best chance of obtaining that sniper (and second line center) we so desperately need.

My take on Boychuk…kid needs a change of scenery, period. H has all the skills but I doubt he will ever be a regular on the Canes NHL roster.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.

by HockeyHick74 on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with you that no team will tank during the last part of the season to get a better draft pick. I wasn’t suggesting that. My mention of the draft as an alternative was to solicit your opinion (and others) about the viability of us relying on the draft because we will have a favorable draft position this year. Personally, I don’t see it providing us with the additional top six forward we need NOW.

I am in agreement with you that any trades at the deadline will not provide us with a top six forward either. I also agree with you that we will play our youngsters after the deadline to see what we have. My concern is they have been given several auditions already and while playing well defensively, they have not produced very much in the way of offense. in other words, they all have been replicas of Dwyer so far. This being the case, my question is should we depend on one or more to step forward as a bonafide scorer first, and then if they do not produce try to get a top six forward in a trade. Right now I have to agree with your surmise that there is no sure-fire top six youngster.

Your conclusion on the UFA market is kinda where I stand and, as you say, that leaves us with the trade market during the offseason as likely the only way for us to get that top six forward we seek.

Re Boychuk. His scoring stats for the 69 games he has played in the NHL would indicate he would be a 10-12 goal scorer over a full season. But these stats may be severely misleading as Mo played him mostly in a 4th line role. I just wonder if Muller gave him a look for several games in a top six role what he would show.

by FoxtrotSierra on Feb 13, 2012 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

It seems to me that we have 2 each of left wing, center, and right wing that might fill our top forward need(s). So why not trade or waive 3 players currently on the Canes’ roster and rotate two Charlotte platoons, perhaps Bowman, Nash, Dadonov and Terry, Dalpe, Samson (picked in an attempt to even out talent). The kids could show what they’ve got AND benefit from the rather enviable pool of hockey know-how that has coalesced in Raleigh. If nothing else, it couldn’t hurt the Checkers’ quest for the Calder :→

by jcs28201 on Feb 14, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Money is the answer to the question.

Hi, my name is Michael Procton, and I will mindf*** you with logical yet (often) pessimistic retorts until the cows come home. Good Day.
--by Aisander D on Feb 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST
I gotta stop takin' my baths durin' Peter's shenanigans.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 15, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

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