Bob McKenzie: Hurricanes To Place Anthony Stewart On Waivers
TSN's Bob McKenzie tweeted this morning that the Carolina Hurricanes will put forward Anthony Stewart on waivers Monday at noon. Stewart, who was signed this offseason, is in the first year of a two-year deal that pays him $800,000 this season and $1 million next year. He has six goals and seven assists in 50 games, playing mostly on the team's fourth line.
The Canes also reassigned Riley Nash to Charlotte today, so if Stewart is claimed — teams will have until noon Tuesday to make claims on him — Carolina will have just 11 forwards on the roster. If Stewart is not claimed, Carolina can assign him to Charlotte of the AHL or keep him on the NHL roster.
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dumb question
Why would you waive him and then keep him on the roster? Does that just mean you have free reign to send him down with no additional waivers? What’s the benefit?
Only JR knows for sure, but unless Stewart gets claimed, it doesn’t save any money. Even if they sent him to CLT they’d be paying him his NHL salary.
He could have had interest from another GM, or he could just be seeing if someone has an interest.
I guess the only thing we know for sure is that JR is willing to part ways with Stewart with no return.
Branecky and others have stated (twitter) that the Canes don’t typically waive a full-time NHL player for the purpose of sending him to the AHL (although we have done some things we don’t typically do this season).
The benefit is that if another organization is interested in Stewart but doesn’t have something of value to provide in return via trade, they can claim him off waivers.
Kind of the opposite of what we did with Jussi. He was on waivers, but we didn’t claim him off waivers, we traded contracts we wanted shed of in Brookbank and Melichar.
Maybe JR doesn’t want to take a bad contract back.
Just rambling…
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 6, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
The other team who claims would be responsible for full contract right? On re-entry it would be 1/2 of contract I would assume……..
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by hurricanefever on Feb 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes .. but he would need to be assigned to the A in order to be put thru re-entry.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Got it…..I thought that was the case……..
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by hurricanefever on Feb 6, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t they put Frank on Re-entry w/o actually re-assigning him a few years ago.Or did they file the " re-assignment " paper work w/o him having to report?
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by Douchebag St John on Feb 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
F. Kaberle was waived at the end of December 2008 and immediately stayed in the lineup after clearing waivers because Nic Wallin got injured, then was in and out of the press box for the rest of the season and playoffs. To my knowledge there was no other transaction that occurred before his contract was bought out in July 2009, unless waivers had to be declared again in July in advance of the buyout.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 6, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I guess they recalled him w/o ever assigning him
Found this using teh internets
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by Douchebag St John on Feb 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Did you find on teh internets where they actually did what LeBrun said they were going to do in that article? Because I did not.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like per Bob’s article here that appears to have been the case.
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by Douchebag St John on Feb 6, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Holy crap, it just hit me how old that article is. Where has the time gone?
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by Douchebag St John on Feb 6, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Also, from a timing perspective, since we don’t play until Wednesday, it gives us time to call up a forward if he is claimed. If he’s not claimed, he’s still in the lineup.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 6, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Because you waived him hoping he'd get claimed and weren't interested in paying him full price to play in the minors.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
or...
As much as I hate to say it, ,ay just be as simple as they were tired of spending 900K on a 4th liner (for Muller) when they have a 500K guy in Charlotte who can fill the role.
I’d much prefer a trade, but Chip just suggested that and it unfortunately makes a ton of sense I guess. I liked Stewart though.
by chrisbrasfield on Feb 6, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
They don’t seem to mind paying Rosey $1.5 this year and $1.9 next to be a “4th liner”….. sorry, couldn’t resist.
That’s the odd nature of the Hurricanes organization to me. Stewart seemed fine as a 4th line player who had upper end potential; but his $900,000.00 salary was prohibitive. LaRose is fine as a fourth line player and penalty killer; but apparently his salary is just fine with Jim Rutherford.
Stewart’s not a three-zone player, IMO. To play on the fourth line, you first have to take care of your own end. Don’t let plus/minus fool you.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree. And some players have a good north/south game and some like Jussi and Skins are also good east/west……. Stewart has a Tasmanian sense of direction.
Stewart has a Tasmanian sense of direction.
Line of the thread right there.
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by Douchebag St John on Feb 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
However...
The odds are that Rutherford imagines (or has discovered) that LaRose could still potentially fetch a return of some sort in the event we wanted to trade him. I see that being less likely with Stewart, whose contract he signed here even with the pedigree of being a former #1 pick suggests the demand for him was very low.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Very true,
but it’s also odd considering that Stewart had his best season in the NHL last year. I know it was with the Thrashers, but still he had a number of complimentary skills; none of which showed up in any big way this season.
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It has to be that new “merit” system. Those who deserve it, get the ice. Stewart didn’t deserve it and LaRose did………sorry couldn’t resist as well.
Saying all that, this move is a hard one to try an puzzle out. Seems like something else is in the works….perhaps soon.
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by hurricanefever on Feb 6, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Uh
Why be sorry? It’s the truth. Rosie has easily out played Stewart…. Despite our complaints about his roles, value etc. he’s always been a decent grinder/energy guy.
by Squeaky83 on Feb 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed…….that ending statement was an attempt at a humorous reply comment to sittler27 and others higher up in this tread.
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
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by hurricanefever on Feb 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
^ this…LaRose is a great guy, a great teammate, a good 3rd liner and a great 4th liner. You cannot fault his desire and effort. In truth, I only fault his occasional bad decision-making (untimely penalties come to mind). As was said elsewhere, you can’t fault Chad for his sometimes misplaced role on this team.
by NotOpie on Feb 6, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ZING PLus +
and i love Rosie as a player too..but am also realistic…:-)
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Somethings got to give. If Stewart is claimed I doubt they will go out west with just 11 forwards. But might just be an opportunity to bring up some Charlotte guys. They might want to give Dadinov a look ( even though it doesn’t appear like he has done much in Charlotte based on Stats…. I haven’t seen him play so probably shouldn’t comment).
Muller and Fourth Line Forwards
Well, if Chip Alexander is correct and the Canes didn’t want to pay $900,000.00 for a fourth line wing, it could make for an interesting trade deadline. Dadonov has played well in the sense that he is fast, has great hands, is a great skater, is physical, and has good hockey I.Q. He hasn’t been outstanding in the sense of being a dominate player. I’d like to see him pushing the pace more; but he has all the tools, including being very strong on his skates. I have no idea what is up with putting Stewart on waivers.
also...
Could be an effort to save some money for a guy coming in. If there is a top 6 guy out there, JR may just be trying to be as thrifty as possible to make it work (not withstanding sittler’s comment above :) )
by chrisbrasfield on Feb 6, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Ruutu to Ottawa for Mark Stone and whatever else you can get from them. Put Stone on right wing with Staal or Skinner next season and while I have loved Ruutu, we will have forgotten about him as we watch Stone develop into an elite power forward.
Why would a younger team on the fringes of the playoff chase be interested in dumping a young asset for a rental?
Further, how would the Hurricanes not demand more?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Because they want to please Alfredsson with one last shot at a Cup? Ottawa has enough young talent to trade away an asset or two for a free Cup shot.
by JussiJuice on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Different Perspective
How about this perspective? Sign Ruutu to an extension; sign an elite or near elite top 6 young veteran forward; draft one of these guys: Yakupov, Girgorenko, Galchenyuk, or Forsberg; trade LaRose, Spacek, and Allen for draft choices and/or young prospects; sign Dumoulin when his NCAA season ends.
Forward Lines in 2012-2013:
Tlusty/Staal/Parise [or other top 6 forward]
Jokinen/Skinner/Ruutu (Yes, I have Skinner at center)
Nodl/Sutter/Dalpe
Dwyer/Brent/Bowman (yes, I have Dwyer and Bowman on the 4th line for Muller)
That still leaves Rask, Nash, 1st rd draft pick, Samson, Terry, Brett Sutter, Hofmann, among other young forward prospects developing and filling in for injuries.
Defensive Lines:
Gleason/Faulk
Pitkanen/Harrison
Murphy/Dumoulin/Joslin
Are you pitching in on payroll? And (again), I assume if you’re adding Parise that you’re unwilling to pay Skinner after next season.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s do some figuring here:
Parise gets $8M per or even call it $8.25 to match Staal.
Ruutu gets $5 M per year
Let’s say Tlusty makes $1.25M
Lets call Bowman $900k on a one way
First line has a cap hit of: 1.25 + 8.25 + 8.25 = 17.75M
Second line has a cap hit of: $3 + $1.4 + $5 = 9.4M
Third line has a cap hit of : .845 + 2.066 + .875 = 3.786 M
Fourth line has a cap hit of: .625 + .750 + .900 = 2.275
Total forward cap hit: 33.211
Goalies are Cam and Boucher for a total cap hit of :6.3 + .95 = 7.25M
D pair one: $4 + .$9 = $4.9
D Pair two: $4.5 + $.7 = $5.2
D Pair 3: $1.375 + $.7 +$1.2 for Dumoulin = 3.275
Total D cap hit = 13.375M
Total of all cap hits is :33.211 + 7.25 + 13.375 = $53.836M That’s not much higher than the salary level Karamanos spent this year.
The following season Skinner gets a bump from his current hit of $1.6 to let’’s call it $5, that adds $3.6, taking the total in two year to $57.436. If there is new revenue coming in with better revenue sharing (ATL replaced with Peg, perhaps better CBA), a new TV deal, and a new radio deal, then adding $5M in salary over the next couple of years isn’t terrible especially if there are playoff revenues included which help not only in the year of the playoffs but also the following season in increased season ticket sales. Staal’s salary being above his cap hit will skew this some, but it doesn’t mean it can’t be worked out by back loading some of Parise’s deal.
For those wondering, this is the long post I was thinking about a few days ago. There are a lot of players already signed at reasonable rates for the next few years. There is plenty of money to do things. There is plenty of money to not only stay below the NHL salary cap but to also stay relatively close to PK’s budget. The choice of Skinner of Parise is a fallacy. Both can be afforded.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Exactly.
Another option is not to go with Parise and his high cap hit but two capable players in his place for a similar combined cap hit. You go that route than Dalpe and/or Tlusty could be traded. Not advocating that per se, just saying it’s a possibility.
Right now the Canes have $37.6M committed to next season for 16 players. That includes Stewart. Not only is there room to do something, but they have to do something just to get to the floor.
There are literally a ton of possibilities for this off-season. Even with Skinner due a raise after the 2012-13 season there is money to spend. Money that has to be spent unless something with the floor changes in the next CBA (a distinct possibility).
But figure again the budget this year was just over $50M. A new TV and radio deal will help that. Improved revenue sharing in the new CBA, or simply the Thrashers not getting any because the Jets make money help. If the budget were to grow to $55M next year that’s almost $18 M to spend on 5 or 6 players.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
It’s not a fallacy. Because what you’ve just done is assume that the same lineup, plus Parise, equals a winner. You’ve basically bare-bones’ed the defense and haven’t accounted for the fact that the guys inked to long-term deals have escalating contracts. Then you’ve taken Harrison and Faulk and penciled them in their cost for next season … you realize you need to pay guys beyond the next season or two, right? Parise’s deal won’t be for three years … it’s going to be a long one. I would be shocked if you honestly believe this team is in the position to not only overpay for Ruutu at $5M, but give Parise $8M over, let’s say, six years.
Finally, Skinner will not be making $5M in the long run. Maybe his next deal is that much for a year or two, but he will be getting franchise player pay.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
You can solve the issues in 2013-14 by trading pitkanen and his 4.5 million dollar deal.
Look , it’s damn near impossible to disprove a negative, but all you have to do is go to Capgeek and see how things stack up. There are 17 guys signed at 38m or so. That’s a ton of money that not only could be spent but has to be spent to get to the budget levels this year and/or thecap floor. The team has numerous options one of which is to keep skinner and sign praise and stay close to current budget limits. I’m not particularly in favor of parise but this isn’t like years past where it is impossible. Unless a new CBa is ratified before July 1 then there will be a floor and it will likely be higher than the 48.3 this season just figuring the be us/Canada tv deal and the record attendance this season.
There’s also the option of not keeping ruutu and acquiring a young player in his place to save money there. There are a ton of options that the team has going forward.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
How is trading our (arguably?) best defenseman going to solve anything?
Trades tend to be a wash, and we need the $4M guys to stabilize the team. Better to give prospects better opportunities and hope one will come through.
Well, the team isn’t terrible and Joni isn’t playing at all right now, so, um who is to say it would get worse. If you want a replacement though, ask Cory about all the guys on the blue line coming up in the system.
If you want a direct replacement then look at Allen and McBain. JOni makes $4.5M. Allen and McBain together may make $5, and that would be two bodies. You could go Gleason-Faulk, Allen-McBain, Murphy-Harrison. That’s 12.675 next year, saving almost $1M and it doesn’t rely on Doumolin.
The fact is with what the Canes have slotted for salary next year there are options to improve via top tier free agents and stay within the team allotted budget. Again, the salary budget this year started out around $51M. It tends to go up a few million every year and next year you’ll have a new TV deal to think about as well as a new radio deal. You could also see the league sell the Coyotes which would see a dispersal of revenue to the team owners. JR paid down debt when he sold the minority share so he doesn’t necessarily have to use the dispersal from the Coyotes sale to pay down additional debt. At the very least the team will have to spend just to get to the floor.
I’m not saying any of these things will happen or that the team will be better. If I knew that I’d be a GM not a keyboard jockey. The fact still remains there are options open to this team for the upcoming off-season that have not been open to them in the past.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
You’re not looking closely enough at Capgeek though. The increases in salary (vs. cap hit) for next year total more than $2M (if we take your estimate on Tlusty’s contract). And like I said, all of these smaller contracts (Sutter, Skinner, Faulk, Harrison) won’t be there forever. The team is lucky in that they have some guys that are huge values right now, but that won’t always be the case. I don’t think you can risk your budget by giving Parise $8M for six years (until he’s 33 or 34) in the hopes that you’ll always have young, cheap replacements like Faulk, Skinner, ect. I would much rather give Skinner, at 20, an average of about $6.5M over the next eight years (under the assumption he gets around $10M for two on his next deal, then a Parise-esque 6/$48M) until he’s 28 then roll that kind of money into a guy like Parise. The point being … you can’t afford to do that for both. I never said “if you sign Parise, you need to trade Skinner.” But the point is, in the long run, you’re basically making a choice of one over the other … or putting your team in such a state that you have to fill out all of your roster with guys making the league minimum.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 8, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
What amount of salary do you think Jim Rutherford has available to sign a top six forward UFA, assuming that Ruutu is re-signed?
Plenty. I think the question is do you want to spend that all in one bunch (Parise) or spend it on two separate bunches. I’d say two separate bunches but you could go with the one.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
If Ruutu got, let’s say, $4.5M … I say there’s maybe $3M for a forward. The payroll is around $46M for next year if we give Ruutu $4.5M and estimate raises for Bowman (850K), Tlusty ($1M-1.25M) and McBain ($1.25M).
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
And that’s with Joslin and a rookie as the 6/7 D and McBain at the 5.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
You understand $46M is below the cap floor right now? Are you expecting a new CBA to be in place prior to July 1? I’m not. The negotiations haven’t even begun. If no deal is in place before July 1, and likely well before that then I fully anticipate the league to be structured next year the same as this year. Given higher attendance numbers that probably means the cap goes up or at least stays the same.
Honestly, you can’t just throw out $46M with out saying how that’s going to work in the system.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
I’m saying that, right now, the team’s payroll (if we give $4.5M to Ruutu and assume those other guys’ contracts) is $46M. As in the team is committed to paying out about $46M right now. I’m not saying that’s the team’s budget.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 8, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, thanks for the clarification. However, the numbers I’m pulling from capgeek don’t follow what you’re saying. Right now the team has 16 players signed for next year for a total of $37.895M (salary, not cap hit). Signing Ruutu to a $4.5 deal would put them at $42.395M. My 16 include Staal, Jussi, sutter, LaRose, Skinner, Stewart, Nodl, Brent, Dwyer, Joni, Gleason, Faulk, Joslin, Harrison, Ward and Boucher.
How are you coming to $41.5M already under contract for next year? From $37.9M to $41.5M is a big jump for just McBain and Murphy.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Actually, after eating I’m realizing it’s not too much. Murphy is $1.4 or so salary assuming all his bonuses and McBain is around $2 to err on the high side so that’s most of the difference. I somehow had it in my head it was closer to $6M difference not closer to $4M. Lunch should not be made to wait.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
I had given Bowman about a 10 percent raise for his new deal, and I factored in McBain at 1.25M … but that’s me coming up with a roster to play with (20 guys) … surely they could trim a guy or two off and have more $$.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 8, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Cool, thanks for the clarification. I think the $1.25 for McBain is closer than the $2M number I’ve been using but I’m intentionally trying to use high numbers to show a worst case scenario.
So, if the Fanposts ever show back up, one thing I looked at in my Parise example was the trading of Joni and LaRose. That right there frees up a lot of salary for next year and it’s both guys that have a legitimate value on the market that make them tradable.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Skinner
What do you calculate Skinner’s salary to be?
What do yo calculate Parise’s (or equivalent’s) salary to be?
Skinner probably won’t get the blockbuster second deal (tho JR has deviated from his normal plan recently), but he will get, IMO, a megadeal in a couple years if he continues as he has been. Sutter will be due a raise in a few years too.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
McBain: That was my mind freeze
McBain should be in the mix as well. It was purely a mind freeze on my part.
Why break up Faulk and Harrison? Yes, by the end of next year Faulk will probably be good enough to start on most NHL teams, yet what he and Harrison have done has been the attaboy story of the ‘Canes year. Chemistry is a hard thing to quantify, but I’m thinking that pair is much more than the sum of its parts.
Because they need a player like Ruutu to ensure they make the playoffs with Washington breathing down their necks. Because in Canada hockey is life and with the hype of the All-Star break still fresh, the owner and management on Ottawa know they must not only make the playoffs this year but go a round or two deep to appease the fans who have been snarly the past couple of seasons. Because their sole owner, Gene Melynk has lots of money and is aggressive and knows that he has a shot at signing Ruutu, or if not, going out and replacing him through free agency. Because their GM, Bryan Murray is known for his aggressive trade deadline moves and has a history of dealing with Jim. And as JussiJuice noted below the Sens have real regard for Alfredsson and want to give him his last shot. Lastly, the Sens have lots of highly regarded prospects and could afford to give up one.
Why not more for Ruutu? Have you seen Stone play? He is in a virtual tie for the scoring lead in the WHL despite having missed games for World Juniors. He has 86 pts in 48 games. He was the best player on the ice for Canadian World Junior team and arguably one of the best at the Worlds. He is listed at 6’3" and 200lbs but now probably more like 210 and a beast. Great hands and shot. He will be a top power forward in the NHL. Notice I said trade for Mark Stone and whatever else you can get. If a 1st rounder then Murray is as crazy as I think he is or JR is brilliant. A 2nd rounder would be fine by me. With how highly Stone is regarded in hockey circles I doubt JR could get more and the issue may well be that Ottawa might not want to give him up.
Surely they know that Ruutu is not the difference between playoff success or failure for that roster.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 8, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
This isn’t all that surprising, Stewart can’t seem to get out of his own way. He has a knack for making mistakes in his own end
by Kubota on Feb 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m not saying your isn’t true, but I don’t think that Bowman and Stewart were previously ever considered to be the same type of player – at all.
As a roster move
No I didn’t mean as his line-up spot ,but to clear room for Bowman ,and another call-up.
With Nash sent back to CLT, what room needs to be made?
I guess I’m not following you. We have room on the 23 man roster so you could always scratch Stewart if they wanted to put another Checker in the line up.
Question while we’re all speculating… who would benefit from picking him up without something coming back the other way? A team near cap floor? A team with a bunch of injuries on forward line that needs an insurance player?
I actually first thought that maybe Craig Ramsay would want him back under his tutelage, but then remembered that the Panthers, where Ramsay is now an assistant, drafted Stewart and likely aren’t interested.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’m thinking back on how it unfolded in Atlanta/Winnipeg as well. It’s not like they had a stacked roster. These had to be something they didn’t like to cut him loose like that. Certainly how he came to camp with a new team was some indicator as to how he approached the game. This is not a sport where you take conditioning or a roster spot lightly. Your career can be over in a flash. The AHL is full of them.
Winnipeg seemed like they wanted to cut as many ties as possible … I wouldn’t read too much in to that, honestly.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting take. There were only 4"Atlanta" players that they could have just qualified and were not tendered a qualifying offer. The other 3 were kinda fringe. They also re-signed as I recall 7 who could have tested free agency. Given his numbers it just felt odd to me that they just cut him loose like that. But he did fizzle somewhat after a hot start to last season.
One can only hope Washington or Tampa so he can continue his trek through the Southeast.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Message
Message to other GMs, Stewie available
Message to Stewie, you are available and wake up
Message to Bowman, you are not available. Welcome home.
Saw Stewie’s baby at the game. Very cute. Well wishes to the family.
by deep_pucks on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
First victim of Muller era?
Most commonly there is much more than meets the eye on player moves that confuse the fan base. In the continuing spirit of rampant unfounded speculation, let’s add the possibility that Stewart wouldn’t or couldn’t meet the expectations of Muller. Stewart is put on waivers to either remove a problem on the bench or to show him that other teams don’t like his game much either. He is either picked up and gone or sent to Charlotte to prove to Muller or other teams that he can be different than he was here. It is likely safe to assume that Stewart has been offered as a trade and was not wanted by any other team. Given he could have been had for very little it seems unlikely he is picked up until re-entry waivers at best.
Speed and hands
I tend to agree with this view. I don’t think it has much to do with salary or who else might play on what line. It’s about whether you fit in Muller’s future team.
I see this as a continuation of the Ponikarovsky deal as a view to what Muller wants. JR and Maurice didn’t seem to be on the same page for whatever reason but that hopfully has changed.
FWIW< Randy Cunneyworth coached him in the AHL. Maybe Montreal would have interest … and who knows what Gauthier is thinking these days.
If that’s the case, then given what we got for Kaberle, JR ought to be able to get 2 1sts and the Patrick Roy statue in front of the Bell Centre for Stewart.
Instead of the statue of Roy, let’s take Larry Robinson’s retired jersey banner. It is far more intimidating than any of our actual d-men.
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by Douchebag St John on Feb 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Or the first of several dominoes to fall?
Is this move one that will not make sense until one or more moves are finalized. Maybe a soon to be announced UFA trade includes a better player for the slot that Stew fills.
To me, this isn’t the first domino … that was Poni.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Whenever I hear or see criticism of JR the Kaberle trade for Spacek comes right to mind. He made a stab at a 4 time all-star, recognized his mistake and made a silk purse from a sow’s ear. On this move with Stewart I’m reminded to be patient and wait for the final outcome.
Amen.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I was under no delusion that Stewart was any type of long-term answer to being a power forward for this team but I kinda was hoping for more when we signed him. With his big frame, I was at least hoping he’d throw his body around more. Good luck to Stew but I don’t think he really fits anywhere on this team moving forward.
Maybe this opens up a spot for a Checker to come up and show what he’s got. Kind hope it’s Dadonov considering I’ve heard that he could be one who jumps to KHL if he doesn’t get a spot on an NHL team sometime in a year or two. Don’t know how true that it though….
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So of JR’s summer signings only Brent remains. One the one hand the house cleaning is good, on the other it shows how brutal a summer JR realized he had. My take is that this is simply the team moving on from Stewart, or attempting to at the NHL level. His time with the Canes has convinced them that he should not be in any long term plans and there are younger players who could be in the long term future that need the ice time and can be more effective even in the present. Not sure he’s set the AHL on fire but personally I’d like to get a look at Dadonov as well. We’ve seen Dalpe and know he’s a part of the future.
To be fair...
His hands were certainly tied by the funds made available for him.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Uh....
AFter signing Dwyer…. If he would have passed on Larose, and chose to go after someone like Neal instead of Poni and Stewart, I think you’ll find equivalent salary…. And we’d be much better off.
Neal was acquired via trade. The Pens gave up Goligoski for Neal (and Niskanen).
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Allen or Jaro about to be dealt
This move could be a precursor to a Dman being dealt for another forward as well…on the other hand who knows yet?
Well those is interesting. I would like to think we could at least get a low round draft pick for Stewart, but I guess not.
Its funny looking at JR’s UFA signings this past summer. Kaberle was signed to replace Corvo and then was traded for a brittle 37 year old. Poni was signed to help replace Cole and was then traded for a broken bicycle pump. Now Stewart who was also signed to help replace Cole is being put in the shop window with a sign that says; Free to a Good Home.
I see why JR doesn’t play too much in the free agent market!
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
by PackPride17 on Feb 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
All of the summer’s UFA signings were experiments, and so far they have been cleaned up rather efficiently, with no real losses. Sure, they didn’t work out as far as results on the ice, but none of them have hampered the organization. The mistake was letting Cole walk away (ala Whitney before him), and while we don’t know the details, I assume JR knows that and would look to avoid it in the future.
That being said, Ruutu could be a big test of JR’s skills. We know his worth, he fits here, and presumably would stay in town. Unless we can get a 1st round pick or a real promising youngster, Ruutu shouldn’t be traded. Clearly we cannot easily replace him in the UFA market.
by prplmnkydw on Feb 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if Cole had performed like he did at his best...
He wouldn’t be worth the deal he got over the course of it.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
If he can’t play in top nine here, why would anyone want to give something up for him?
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
My thought is that a team that could be looking for secondary scoring and a big body could use him in a 3rd/4th line role and get him cheap. Just look at the team we just played, LA. They need to improve their scoring. Stewart has more goals than any of their bottom 6 and Stewart sees very limited time with the Canes. What if he split time on LA’s 3rd & 4th line; could he provide them with a few extra goals? That is why I thought some team might offer something, even a low round draft pick, for him.
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by PackPride17 on Feb 6, 2012 6:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Canes could have used him for that. But here we are.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
But many coaches/GM’s around the league are somewhat arrogant. They think they can get more out of player X than the last coach. Just look at us; we constantly go to the scrap heap to find players. Stewart has size, decent wheels, a cheap contract, and has scored 6 goals while averaging less than 8 minutes of ice per night. He obviously doesn’t fit the Canes system and he might not fit other teams system either, but he does provide some secondary scoring. Why wouldn’t LA, who is having a horrible time scoring, offer up a 6th round pick for Stewart? He would be 7th on their team in goals scored and 9th in total points.
Obviously other GM’s agree with you and don’t want him, I’m just not getting it. He’s not a bad player and if I was LA, with their limited cap space, I might take a chance on 4th liner that could score a couple of goals.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
Kaberle was traded for a get out of jail after 25% of your sentence is up card.
And I’m plenty glad he pulled it off.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not disagreeing that the Kaberle trade worked out for the best for us. What I was saying is that JR ended up letting Corvo go for almost nothing, signed Kaberle, and then let him go for not a lot in return. I’m trying to say we really didn’t come out ahead on this sequence at all. We let a better fit defenseman, who was cheaper, go for basically Kaberle & a 4th round pick; we then replaced Kaberle with Spacek, who is probably a downgrade from Corvo and cost us $1.3 million more than Corvo (and both Spacek & Corvo were on expiring contracts). So in the end (unless Spacek is traded for something); we paid $1.3+ million for a 4th round draft pick.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
That’s fine that Corvo asked to be moved, it didn’t mean JR had to move him or didn’t have to move him for only a 4th round pick. The bottom line is that a “cash-strapped” team like the Canes end up paying $1.3 million for a 4th round pick (again, assuming Spacek doesn’t bring anything in return). It was not a good sequence of events.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
That hardly seems like a safe assumption, given he's being talked up as a valuable blueline asset.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 8, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Stewart
Seems to me that Stewart isn’t a natural 4th liner. He obviously can do more with more ice time, but he isn’t much of a two-way player. I think Muller must not see him as a top-six or nine player, and therefore he is a waste of money and a roster spot. There are plenty of cheap 4th liners in Charlotte. I hope Drayson Bowman isn’t one of them, I’d much rather see him develop into a third line player.
And, fwiw, Chad Larose is much more valuable than Stewart. He puts up more points, to be sure, and is a bit more of a two-way guy. He is, ideally, a third line checker, not an overpaid fourth liner. It is also arguable that he is a waste of a roster spot which could go to a CLT player, but it is only arguable, not a fact. Stewart, on the other hand, has no more business in Raleigh than say Samson or the other Sutter, etc.
by prplmnkydw on Feb 6, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nodl/Sutter/Dwyer
Nodl/Sutter/Dwyer have been playing lights out defensive hockey. There is no way in a merit based system that Nodl or Dwyer should be moved off the third line. As far as LaRose being a great defensive player for a third line, check out his plus/minus compared with the other forwards on the team. On the Hurricanes team, LaRose is a fourth line energy player who can also kill penalties. Whether on some other team he fits on the first line, it would take more research than I’ve done to say. One thing is fact. The Nodl/Sutter/Dwyer line has been superb defensively.
The team does not release which players are on waivers. But yes, he is on waivers.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Cap Floor Implications?
This move (if he is claimed) will move us closer to the cap floor and will cost us flexibility in dealing UFAs for prospects. We really need overpaid players if we want to get prospects and picks.
No way.
The floor is a way to guarantee the players that they will collectively get a certain amount of money. Without a floor, no way they agree to a cap.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I also have to believe that the floor makes the league more competitive = more teams in playoff race deep into season = more tickets sold. Even an owner can appreciate that.
Haha...
The floor is there so that the cap can be. Can’t have one without the other.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 10, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
The team is only $1.1m above the floor – Stewart’s 900k..Unless Bowman stay’s and his $845k counts…Not sure ,but dealing Allen & Jaro would put the team about $5.63 under the 48.3 floor and there at $49.4 + change – Stewart,so it get’s complicated from here on out as far as salary going and coming.
No not exactly……we are about $6.3MM above the floor now and will be about $9.7 at the deadline if nothing else happens. We can trade Allen and Jaro for just picks and easily still fit above the floor. see capgeek.com
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by hurricanefever on Feb 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Click on the calender on the floor chart… It say’s the remaining 61 days the team is at $4.841m as it seems the remaining differs alot from even today ,and if you calculate by the daily calculator it comes up with a different number by the day?…confusing to say the least
Try this and scroll down. There is a Floor chart……that is where I got these numbers….
http://capgeek.com/trade_deadline_tracker.php
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by hurricanefever on Feb 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think the two right hand number account for all the current variations for you.
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by hurricanefever on Feb 6, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite how it works.
If they get traded, we still retain whatever they were paid here on our cap charges.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Stewart
I think Anthony has been decent on the ice with the way the season started and the fact that the team is improving. One thing I noticed at the STH Practice yesterday is that he helps in the locker room. Meaning…the moral was great yesterday (I know they won the night before) & that helps. The guys seemed to be in great spirits…I was hoping that we could trade for a big top forward but that also means we would have to give up more than a 4th liner…
He seems like a good locker room guy, but when you were bring in to replace Cole (yes, high standards since Cole is now the best player on the Canadiens) but you are barely producing on the fourth line, you can’t stay in favor for too long.
Truth.
Being a nice guy goes just about last in the hierarchy of marketable NHL skills.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo
Man…. you know you are having a really bad season of lost time to injuries when even your head coach gets injured in practice.
I understand waiving Stewart but the timing seems odd to me because no other player was called up to take his place.
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I know, but I thought we sent Nash down to make room for LaRose? Someone has to take the other wing on the fourth line.
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by MyFriendCorey on Feb 6, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I still don’t understand sending Nash down and then the Stewart situation after the comment from Kirk that they were going on the road with an extra forward.
Realize putting him on waivers is NOT the same as sending him down
It is preparatory to send him down…. we may never do it. He may go down to Charlotte, he may not. He may get grabbed off waivers he may not. So we may or may not have an extra forward, or be short a forward…
ROFLAO !! Humper Stewart !!
while he is a personable guy but his hype aint matching on the score/ stats sheets IF he does clear waivers..I’ll still hoot & hollar for him…and yes his baby is cute…but i’ll stop there !! LOL
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Stewart seems like a nice kid
and he’s gonna make $1MM next year. Good for him.
He’s on waivers for one of three things:
A D is getting traded with a forward coming back.
A forward (Dadonov) is coming from CLT.
JR has given up on him and has been given permission to bury his salary in the AHL.
Since he’s getting the least ice time on the team, I’m leaning toward the burying theory. JR hopes someone might take a flyer on him, but worst-case scenario is he gets some time with Jeff Daniels to improve his game and the Canes open up a forward slot for a prospect. We’ll see what tomorrow’s deadline reveals.
Putting him in the AHL has nothing to do with his salary, tho. He makes the same money regardless of where he plays, and the team doesn’t have to worry about the salary cap implications of his contract, seeing that they’re nowhere near the cap.
My guess is he stays with the Canes if he’s not claimed, like they did with Aaron Ward in 2009.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 6, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Seconded
PK being tight does not make me think we’re suddenly going to become like the other top spending teams and bury non-performers in the AHL and just pay them big bucks… I think JR is throwing him out on a wing and a prayer that someone who needs to improve their bottom six for a playoff run will take a flyer on Stewart. If not, maybe he’s got a deal where someone has agreed to take him at half price on re-entry—still a 500k saving next year….
I dunno, but I doubt we pay someone 1mil next year to play in Charlotte, let alone what’s left of this year.
But if we’re doing it to bring up the prospects and give them their NHL shot while making sure we don’t deplete Charlotte too heavily? Wow, what a new team concept and Kudos to JR….
…sure hope that’s the case. Make me feel better about who’d be a keeper next year.
To be fair...
$900K (or the prorated portion of that, even) is not exactly “big bucks.” Even if he stayed in Charlotte for the rest of this year, he wouldn’t be stuck there next season, too.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Cory,
If Stewart were sent to the A, would he have to clear re-entry waivers to be brought back up to the Canes at the start of next season?
No.
If you’re on a one-way and make a team out of camp, you do not have to go through them.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Correct … but if they wanted to bring him back up this year he would. Moot point though … JR said he won’t be assigning him. This is simply a maneuver to see if someone wants him.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
It sort of does.
Even if it’s not a lot in the grand scheme of things, Rutherford would likely need authorization to pay the minimum salary of an AHL guy to replace him if they’ve just decided they have better options. And because of that low cost, it’s possible it could happen, although Alexander believes the opposite is true.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Anthony Stewart
For whatever reason, Muller and the coaching staff don’t see Anthony Stewart as fitting with their desired style of play. It seems like the Hurricanes organization is already clearing the decks to get ready for next season which is a logical way to proceed. I think Stewart will become a solid, contributing player for some NHL team. I wish him well. It seems as if Muller and MacLean follow the Brian Burke approach of two scoring lines and two lines that Burke calls plumbers.
The 2011-2012 off-season moves didn’t really work out particularly well with the exception of Tim Brent. Maybe this move is to clear more salary space to afford an elite top six forward. Hope springs eternal, I suppose.
If Stewart is not picked up off of waivers could JR just buy him out?
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They could...
But they’d need to wait until the summer, and Stewart would have to agree to giving up over $300K. I don’t see that happening.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Stewart has no say in agreeing to a buyout. They can just buy him out.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Great!
I love the fact that we are again going into a deadline with the most valuable assets and are not going to move them. It will be great to finish 10th in the east again!!!!
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by Douchebag St John on Feb 6, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately this is exactly what it smells like to me. JR is happy with the core, going to give Muller a full year of mediocrity before actually retooling the team.
We need a top line winger and a top pairing shutdown D added right now to even compete. I think the likelihood of this happening is right around zero.
At least by keeping Ruutu the Canes will make their classic “play hard now that the Playoffs are impossible to attain” run out of a top-10 Draft pick and the prospects will get zero chance to prove themselves.
by JussiJuice on Feb 7, 2012 1:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We need a top line winger and a top pairing shutdown D added right now to even compete. I think the likelihood of this happening is right around zero.
Well, I agree with you if you want to add “to even compete for a long playoff run”. I would think our record in January—to include close losses, shows we can “compete”. But we wouldn;t be a playoff contender or one that could go deep.
But more to your point—this core has shown lately it can compete, but has also shown we have a hole and a need for a top six forward to add to the mix. So I see no reason why signing Ruutu precludes this. In fact, it makes it more palatable for that winger to see we have a competitive core to come to—a team that needs that one piece to get over the hump.
We already have a valuable top ten draft pick—likely top five. We have a number of prospects we can also use for trade purposes. The real death knell for the team however would not be re-signing Ruutu, but keeping and intending to go forward with LaRose AND Dwyer, Nodl AND Tlusty. If we do that and sign a true top six winger, we have no slots for the CHarlotte prospects, and I for one would rather have Bowman and his size working with Sutter, and Brent and his size and grit working on the 4th line instead of Rosie….
That would also make better sense financially….
Yeah, too bad we fell far enough to be forced to take a scrub like Skinner that one time.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 8, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Nice lottery mentality
And basing future events in anecdotal evidence.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Who on Twitter is confirming talks between Jim Rutherford and Ruutu’s agent? I hope it’s true and it seems very reasonable to me as an approach; but I have not seen that report.
Canes Now – Rutherford, Ruutu to meet, discuss future
Tracking the Storm – Canes place Stewart on waivers (mention at the end of the article)
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 6, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Link to Article on Ruutu and Jim Rutherford
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/canes/rutherford-ruutu-to-meet-discuss-future
It’s a fascinating approach. According to the report, Jim Rutherford will be talking directly to Ruutu about Ruutu’s plans for the future. Speaks well of the agent for permitting it, Ruutu for being willing to have that discussion; and for Jim Rutherford to be willing to change his approach.
I doubt the agent has to permit it. It’s up to Ruutu — his agent is HIS employee — if he wants to talk to JR. Ruutu could just say “talk to my agent,” which would give JR an answer (time to trade).
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
And nothing says the agent won't be at the table.
Just that he won’t be the middleman transmitting all the info back and forth.
Twitter.com?
Who on twitter, exactly?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ruutu's agent
“Usually” when player agent’s permit direct talks is that the player wants to resign with the current team…Fingers crossed
by hellfish on Feb 6, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
At the very least I hope he goes out as a rental for the season before they sign him…which is what I wanted with gleason.
Nothing against either of them as players, but they aren’t game changers, imo, for the team and I’m tired of seeing the same players getting re-signed while the team remains mediocre…at best.
I guess another way to say it is that I want to see a good team, not just good players on the same team.
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by DaveLovesBier on Feb 6, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’m having a similar discussion now on twitter now (albeit with 140 characters). My take is that the Hurricanes under Muller are essentially two to three players away from being able to make the playoffs and compete in the playoffs. For example, even without an elite forward signing, the lines could be:
Tlusty/Staal/[Girgorenko, Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Forsberg]
Jokinen/Skinner/Ruutu
Dalpe/Sutter/Nodl
Dwyer/Brent/Bowman
That still leaves Rask, Nash, Samson, Terry, Brett Sutter, Hofmann, Shugg, and Brody Sutter battling it out for roster spots and callups. If one adds a top six forward via a signing or trade, then the forward positions are quite deep.
My guess is that Ruutu is telling him that he wants to play here, and JR is saying that if he trades him for a rental, it will be to a Cup contender and that there will be an offer waiting for him during the summer.
And based on how JR said they want to decide what is best for the team moving forward, I think he will tell Ruutu about how they can get a prospect for him and improve the team overall while he makes a playoff push.
If I were Ruutu, knowing that I could come back if I wanted, and having the option to play on a Cup contender, I would say yes in a heartbeat. He loves it here and I think he would put the team first and allow himself to be traded, given the option. What I like is that JR is putting it in Ruutu’s hands.
Ruutu is the top/cover story on TSN’s NHL page at the moment.
Interest concept in there is “The Gleason Treatment”, where JR reportedly checked what he could get from other teams for Gleason and then sat down with Gleason offering either a deal averaging 4 mill over 4 years or a trade option. Not sure if that’s what really went down.
Article also mentions Allen and Spacek.
I am a bit sorry to see Stewart waived, but interested in seeing how it will play out.
trade
rumor is nashville may be wanting ruutu
Jamie McBain + Chad LaRose + Tuomo Ruutu
For
Patric Hornqvist + Roman Josi + 1st Round Pick
Get it done JR! What are they paying you for?
by JussiJuice on Feb 7, 2012 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ryan Murphy Update
6 goals and 13 assists in his last 8 games.
Kid has gotten back to his pure offensive game where he needs to live to be successful. Saw a lot of unwarranted downing of him here recently. He is still quite on track to be a Star in the NHL.
by JussiJuice on Feb 7, 2012 2:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
See Tobias Enstrom
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3735
Tobias is Murphy’s size now. He is an effective defenseman for the Jets. Murphy will get a little bigger by the time he plays here. He will only need to be paired with a big mean SOB to be effective.
He has tremendous offensive abilities, but I really don’t think he’ll be much more than a 3rd pairing/PP specialist. I hope he proves me wrong, but I just don’t see a top 4 defenseman.
JR; please dump some players and bring the kids up to stay!
Yeah...
All the offensive talent in the world doesn’t mean you can overcome size/strength limitations on the blue line.
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--by Aisander D on Feb 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST
I gotta stop takin' my baths durin' Peter's shenanigans.
by MichaelProcton on Feb 8, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
How has no one else posited . . .
That JR saying he’s going to talk to Ruutu about salary after he’s already re-signed Gleason is nothing more than a ruse to up the offers for Ruutu? He already took one high value chip off the market. Now he’s threatening to do the same thing. Trying to up the offers one last time and see if someone will bite.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
On twitter, just not directly here:
RT @jbk_ltd: @Tachibana828 If JR didn’t think Tuomo had a future with the Canes, there would be no reason to talk to him, would there?
RT @jbk_ltd: @Tachibana828 Or, conversely, he could be publicly upping the ante for any other team that wants to acquire him.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 7, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I follow the both of you and didn’t see those. When did those get tweeted?
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
just goes to show CC is THE definitive resource for all things 'Canes
even beats twitter to the punch! ;-)
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
by Capt. Stinky on Feb 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Actually no, I posted those yesterday sometime between 6 and 7 pm.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 7, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Yerdon mentioned it as well, from ProHockeyTalk this morning.
Then again, the cynic in me thinks this might just be news to help get teams looking to acquire Ruutu to up the ante.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the literal interpretation. Any thoughts on the matter? Do you think it’s possible? Any others?
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
I dunno. My gut tells me the parties have a solid relationship and wouldn’t be talking if they didn’t want to continue to do business with each other. But I’m way too attached to have an unbiased opinion.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 7, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. It’s something that I felt like should be interjected in to this conversation.
Personally I think the talk of negotiation is a ploy by JR. I say this for two reasons:
One the negotiations with Gleason seemed to happen over the All-star break. Negotiations can occur during that time and not impact the team, and not impacting the team is one of the reasons JR doesn’t negotiate during the season. Negotiating with Ruutu now will impact the team no matter what.
Two: The negotiation with Gleason were silent until it was signed. The negotiations with Ruutu are public knowledge. There’s no reason for JR to put that out there unless he wants it out there.
Personally I think that there is a deal already for Ruutu and there is a value on the market JR wants. If he can’t get that value he’ll sign Ruutu for the deal that has likely already been agreed to. If he can get the value he wants for Ruutu, and I have to believe he is close to getting that value because saying publicly you’re negotiating with a player is really an end game play, then Ruutu gets traded and they both know where they stand on salary for July 1.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
I sort of raised this a day or so ago……JR sending signals through the media. But this move by JR is a big deal to publicly admit. My sense is he is ready to put a number and term on the table with Ruutu after he hears the right things coming from Ruutu. He makes the offer and it is up to Ruutu to accept or get traded. Interesting method. If he is using Ruutu as bait for other teams I think that would destroy relationships with players now and down the road. No……I think this has some long legs and the ball will be in Ruutu’s court before much longer or might be there now. Time will tell.
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Here is yet another wrinkle!
First off, let me say that all numbers are from capgeek.com
As of today the Canes can trade an average annual value (AAV) cap hit of $6,467,764 and remain above the floor. At the deadline that increases to $9,701,646.
Ruutu has a cap hit of $3.8M. Allen has a cap hit of $2.9M. Spacek has a hit of $3.833M Those three combined equal $10.533M, which is roughly $831K more than the max salary dump the Canes can do on the deadline. Not sure what throwing Stewart in there would do.
What does this mean? It means JR can’t sell all the pieces for only draft picks. Sure, players would fill in and have their cap hit, but trading Ruutu now makes it much more difficult to move Allen and Spacek, something JR certainly must do.
I have to believe a deal is in place already to move Ruutu for a roster player and this is a ploy to get more in return by taking away the prize at the last minute.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Those are interesting numbers indeed. So one of either Ruutu, Allen or Spacek will have to include some money back prior to deadline. I think the waiver of Steward now makes more sense because if someone picks him up it gives JR the cap money he needs to do a picks, prospects for all three. If no one picks Stewart up JR has a another problem to solve to get those 3 traded. Of course if he signs Ruutu this becomes moot.
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Losing Stewart for nothing would actually make it more difficult for JR. Given that the difference is only $831K the Canes can probably bring guys up from the minors to stay above the floor. If they move Stewart that may get more difficult. I’m unfortunately not capgeek epic enough to know how much or figure it out.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
Wait a minute……there is a corresponding discount on players annual salaries traded so JR can fit all 3 prorated salaries under his current $6.4MM number that is above the floor?
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
But players would be called up to fill in for those guys. Let’s say they call up Dalpe ($875K) and Sanguinetti ($600K), plus one other guy (Boychuk’s cap hit’s the most at about $1.2M) … they’re fine.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't that $831K be topped by the salaries of any minor-leaguers called up to replace them?
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--by Aisander D on Feb 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST
I gotta stop takin' my baths durin' Peter's shenanigans.
by MichaelProcton on Feb 8, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
They are not mutually exclusive options
JR is likely trying to both sign Ruutu and up the ante for a trade. He will then choose the better of the 2 options.
JR's offseason scorecard:
Keeping Mo – fail (gone)
Signing Kabs – fail (gone)
Signing Poni – fail (gone)
Signing Stewart – fail (gone)
Signing both Rosie AND Dwyer – TBD
Signing Dave Lewis – C+
Not re-signing Cole – B+
JR’s in-season scorecard:
Firing Mo – B+ (would’ve been an “A” but it took too long)
Signing Muller & Crew – A++++++++
Getting Spacek – C
Re-signing Gleason – B-/TBD
Ruutu, Allen, other free agents – TBD
Dumping Stewart – fail (never should’ve signed)
Did I leave anyone out?
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
he fits in so well i forgot he’s a newcomer. I guess I’d rate that pickup a B+?
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
by Capt. Stinky on Feb 7, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I also believe you are underestimating Spacekas as a C. He brings a wealth of NHL experience to our defensive core and team overall—Veteran leadership (something lacking), he solidifies our backend defensively much more than Kaberle and has been a good team player whom the guys like.
i guess he’s been up and down and injured so imho jury’s still out hence the c
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
by Capt. Stinky on Feb 7, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think the question is what value are you assigning here? Is it just Spacek? If so, I think a C is fair for what you mentioned. Is it the value of swapping Kaberle for Spacek? That value is much higher than a C.
Is there a better time of year than the NHL Trade Deadline?
good point; when you add-in what we gained in losing kabs for spacek, it bumps up to an A- in my book ;-)
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
by Capt. Stinky on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
He also reduces our contract liability from the Kaberle signing by 75%.
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--by Aisander D on Feb 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST
I gotta stop takin' my baths durin' Peter's shenanigans.
by MichaelProcton on Feb 8, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and as mentioned elsewhere—our defensive shot blocking is starting to be a team strength. If you haven’t noticed, despite shot totals, Cam hasn’t been facing as many primo shot against opportunities lately either. The stick work of our whole team in denying passes, clearing rebounds, blocking shots has improved all year throughout the year. A lot of that is Lewis.
Yeah, under Mo it wasn’t apparent. Not sure why not, maybe it just took longer for the team to buy in. Maybe adding Muller and demanding accountability helped with lewis’s messge and system. Maybe Muller and the NJ guy made tweaks. I’m not sure, and there’s no way for me to tell, but not sure Lewis deserves a C+
I think our overall record and goals against all season w/lewis on board specifically to tighten things up deserves a C right now, but if things keep getting better, i’m sure it’ll be viewed more positively.
i just think that, overall, that JR’s offseason moves haven’t panned-out as well as his in-season moves.
"The Carolina Hurricanes will keep President and General Manager Jim Rutherford for at least four more years after resigning him to a contract extension that runs through the 2015-16 season."
by Capt. Stinky on Feb 7, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
And that seems to play out often—he’s willing to take risks to make things happen on his shoe string budget—sometimes they work: Whitney, Cullen, Stillman…..sometimes they don’t: Poni, Stewart, Second AWard…
JR takes his flyers on the return/payroll/retreads/also rans in hoping they produce for us. We’ve gotten value sometimes, and not others.
Hahaha, Chip wrote this and posted it at 11:43. Waited until after noon to tweet it though.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like Bob McKenzie is the big source of Canes chatter these days. He noted on TSN today that the asking price for Ruutu has been very steep and that it is just as likely that the Canes will extend him (if he is willing) similar to Gleason.
Is this the video clip you saw on TSN today, or something different? This video is the same as the article I posted from yesterday (up there in this thread somewhere).
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 7, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
"Ruutu soon to be traded or signed" per Bob McKenzie.
Does McKenzie have inside track on UFA trade information or is he demonstrating a remarkable grasp of the obvious. Or, as is most likely, being used by JR to drive the Ruutu decision to a the best possible conclusion? Aren’t one of Bob’s siblings in the Canes farm system? These dots may connect.
I think JR and McKenzie are friends … and I’m sure it works both ways: JR will give him a tidbit from time to time in exchange for TSN helping him out by getting word out on something.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
They are really good friends. So good in fact that Bob felt comfortable enough to pick up the phone just before draft day and persuade JR not to draft his son, Mike (same one Jamie’s talking about below), because he wasn’t ready for the pros yet. The fact that JR took him at his word has always impressed me. That’s a pretty good relationship, which is why I don’t put a ton of stock into trade chatter regarding the Canes unless it comes from Bob.
BTW all of this is detailed in Bob’s book about being a crazy hockey dad. Definitely a good read if you haven’t already read it.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Which reminds me, I own it and have never read it. Need to rectify that situation.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 7, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Regarding the sibling question… Bob’s son Mike McKenzie came to prospect camp here a couple of years ago (Bob was here with him) and he was signed to the Checkers/Everblades and split time between the two, but a couple of months ago was traded to the Houston Aeros, so he’s not in our system anymore.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 7, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Just to clarify … he wasn’t traded. Rather, he got an AHL contract with Houston vs. (I think) an amateur contract with the Checkers/Everblades. I think …
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oops, my apologies. I knew that was the intent of the move, assumed it happened via trade.
by Jamie Kellner on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
OK Stewart the wake up alarm is ringing.
Nobody wants you at your current salary. You have very limited time to meet league wide expectations of you as an NHLer before you are gone from the league for good.
Tonight will tell the tale of his future in the NHL in my opinion. Not by his stats but by how hard he works, and how much of an edge he brings on the ice. This is a wake up call for him, if he hits the snooze button tonight he’ll show he doesn’t have the desire to do what needs to be done to play in this league. One the other hand he may come out with a bee in his bonnet tonight, but fall back off again so tonight’s effort would only indicate if he got the message, not if he’s willing to make a long term attitude adjustment.
Playing Muller Hockey
During a recent Checkers game, Dalpe received a very dirty boarding hit and when I saw Bowman fly across the ice to pound the guy making the hit, I thought Bowman was going to be recalled very quickly to the Hurricanes. There is a mental approach to hockey that Muller requires. One aspect of that approach is mental toughness and playing with a very high compete level. Stewart has all the physical tools; but what he has to show Muller and MacLean to stick with the Hurricanes is that he will play Muller hockey. If and when Stewart times his hits so that he is finishing checks and separating players from the pucks, he will make a case for himself. If he does not, his time with the Hurricanes might well be short-lived.
I think there is a cumulative issue with Stewart’s intensity level. Some guys are not the confrontational types, even though they have big strong bodies. If he’s using his size and speed effectively while the puck is in play, then maybe shies away from the extra curricular stuff after whistle, you can live with it. Every coach, player, and fan loves a player who sticks up for his teammates but the fact is not every player has that in his personality. Stewart just needs to use the god given size and his speed to their fullest potential every night.
He is no Cole, but I have seen him hustle the puck down the ice and bull past defenders. He can do that, or attempt that all the time. He doesn’t have to go for the highlight reel hits, but he can use his speed and size to effectively separate a player from the puck, or at least attempt it. He can use his big frame in front of the net, and use his good hands. If he had the work ethic of a Patty Dwyer or ( gasp !) Chad LaRose he’s be a valuable member of this club, even if he didn’t feel comfortable getting in the other players grill.
Work Ethic
I have been keeping track of Anthony Stewart for several years. I think he does have the ability to be a 25 goal scorer; but I also continue to read at Canes Country and elsewhere comments questioning his conditioning. I was disappointed that A.Stewart was waived. I hope he will show the Hurricanes organization he belongs.

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